How can someone suck this bad at flying?

Murdoughnut said:
By the time I got to landings 8, 9 and 10 that day I was knocking kids' fillings out. That was also the day I had my first ever go around on a landing.
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Same happened to me. During our local car/airplane show at the airport, I was giving rides in a 182RG. The runway is short enough to begin with; 2,270', and there was a 45* 15 knot gusting crosswind. On the fourth or fifth ride, I loaded up a group of 30something year old passengers, one of whom asked me if I was old enough to do this.

Fast forward to the landing; I bounced it real good a couple of times before I opted for a go around. It scared the crap out of me, and CERTAINLY validated the passengers concerns about me being old enough to fly an airplane.
 
jtrain609 said:
I've had students do this to me before, and Cessna 182's are prone to this. It happens a lot easier than you might thing, and without an application of power and elevator or a go around, it develops into a really nasty situation, really quickly.
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:yeahthat:



If you instruct long enough, and it probably won't take that long, someone WILL try to land on the nosewheel first.

"Go around, go around, GO AROUND . . . .MY CONTROLS!" :D
 
DPApilot said:
What if this was his first solo? I wouldn't say someones flying sucks if I had never solo'd or even been in that situation. It's easy for you to say someone sucks when you haven't had to deal with the situation yourself.
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Looks like there's someone riding shotgun - if it's an instructor, I guess it was a REALLY bad day for him/her.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Same happened to me. During our local car/airplane show at the airport, I was giving rides in a 182RG. The runway is short enough to begin with; 2,270', and there was a 45* 15 knot gusting crosswind. On the fourth or fifth ride, I loaded up a group of 30something year old passengers, one of whom asked me if I was old enough to do this.

Fast forward to the landing; I bounced it real good a couple of times before I opted for a go around. It scared the crap out of me, and CERTAINLY validated the passengers concerns about me being old enough to fly an airplane.
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Lol, but there is one distinct difference: you didn't really push the nose down hard to try and land without reducing power. You can tell this guy thought landing was done by using forward pitch instead of reduced power.
 
Kestrel452 said:
Lol, but there is one distinct difference: you didn't really push the nose down hard to try and land without reducing power. You can tell this guy thought landing was done by using forward pitch instead of reduced power.
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Really? How can you tell what this guy thought? It is one video tape and the guy was porpoiseing. If I may ask, have you ever had a bad landing? How far along in your training are you?

While it is safe to say the guy had a bad landing, all you have is a snippet of video tape. You know what they say about assumptions.:dunno:
 
JEP said:
Really? How can you tell what this guy thought? It is one video tape and the guy was porpoiseing. If I may ask, have you ever had a bad landing? How far along in your training are you?

While it is safe to say the guy had a bad landing, all you have is a snippet of video tape. You know what they say about assumptions.:dunno:
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You can see the guy force the elevator down every time he bounces back up. Even as a student pilot, it's obvious to me that you DON'T push the yoke forward to increase your descent angle. Especially at power and/or so much so that you land nose gear first. He basically flared the wrong direction, downward and continued to smash the plane into the ground after it corrects itself numerous times. I guess the plane could only take so much fail.

I can see if someone bounces on their mains, stalls to land too quick and makes a hard touchdown, etc. but this is just completely asinine how this guy was trying to land.
 
I think I'd suggest doing a little reading on porpoising, pilot-induced oscillations and the various causes of both.
 
Kestrel452 said:
You can see the guy force the elevator down every time he bounces back up. Even as a student pilot, it's obvious to me that you DON'T push the yoke forward to increase your descent angle. Especially at power and/or so much so that you land nose gear first. He basically flared the wrong direction, downward and continued to smash the plane into the ground after it corrects itself numerous times. I guess the plane could only take so much fail.

I can see if someone bounces on their mains, stalls to land too quick and makes a hard touchdown, etc. but this is just completely asinine how this guy was trying to land.
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Did you watch the same video?? Seriously. Look when he first touches down. He didn't pitch his nose into the ground. By definition if one is landing on the nose first, they are not flaring.

Can I ask how much time you have? How many landings have you had?
You have really overstepped your boundaries here. I am not trying to be a dink. It is awfully presumptious of you critiquing this landing from one snippet of video tape, given your experience or lack thereof.

As Doug has said, you may want to do some reading on the subject.
 
This looks like how my students land.....you mean to tell me that I been teaching it wrong? :eek:

Famous last words heard in Saudi Arabia..."For me captain, no problem, I make great landing." :whatever:
 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...AhS18h41HQhAOzy7A&sig2=PB7fXEC5cbZm7oaKYmtxTw


Section/division Occurrence Investigation Form Number: CA 12-13a
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY - AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT REPORT
CA18/2/3/8162
Reference:
ZS-EKB
29 July 2006
1000Z
Aircraft Registration
Date of Accident
Time of Accident
Piper PA 28-235
Private Flight
Type of Aircraft
Type of Operation
Private Pilot
31
Yes
Pilot-in-command Licence Type
Age
Licence Valid
Pilot-in-command Flying
Total Flying
95.0
Hours on Type
23.5
Experience
Hours
Bethlehem Aerodrome
Last point of departure
Next point of intended landing
Bethlehem Aerodrome
Location of the accident site with reference to easily defined geographical points (GPS readings if possible)
On the taxi way at Bethlehem Aerodrome.
Meteorological Information
Surface Wind: 290°- 5 knots, Temperature 18°C, Visibility: Clear, Cloud cover/base: Clear.
1+0
0
0
Number of people on board
No. of people injured
No. of people killed
Synopsis
The pilot stated that he flew the aircraft from Bethlehem Aerodrome on a private flight in the area.
During landing on Runway 29, the pilot experienced wind shear conditions. The nose gear of the
aircraft collapsed, followed by a propeller strike on the identified runway.
The aircraft sustained damage to the propeller, engine and forward bottom engine cowlings. The pilot
did not sustain any injury.
The Aircraft Maintenance Organisation – AMO 252 responsible for maintenance of the aircraft was
audited by the CAA on 03 May 2006. All the findings identified in the audit have been complied with
as documented in the action plan that was submitted to the CAA.
The pilot was the holder of a valid Private Pilots Licence. The aircraft type was endorsed on the
licence and had a valid medical certificate with a classified general restriction.
The last Mandatory Periodic Inspection (MPI) was certified on 14 October 2005 at total time of
4741.00 airframe hours. The aircraft accumulated another 58.00 hours since the maintenance
inspection was certified.
Probable Cause
The nose gear of the aircraft collapsed after landing.
Contributory Factors: The pilot landed the aircraft in wind shear conditions.
IARC Date
Release Date
CA 12-13a
23 FEBRUARY 2006
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twotwowoo said:
Why is this in the lav?

Also, we don't know the wind conditions out there, or the experience level of the pilot. It sounds like it was very windy.
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This is just very poor flying. There is no crosswind and I don't remember anything in the POH about wheels tending to separate from the aircraft due to strong headwinds. It is pretty much a headwind given the control inputs and sound of the wind hitting the mic as he pans around. This was a three pointer with bad stabilator inputs. This airplane could have floated another 500' just fine before it touched.
 
5 knots wind... nose diving the plane into the pavement... blaming "wind shear"...

i cant possibly roll my eyes any harder.
 
I call that the "Triple Jump" landing. Usually, when I see it, after the first two "skips" the pilot generally makes the wise decision to go around, rather than pushing the nose into the ground repeatedly.

This is a pretty common mistake for presolo students, but a person at the private level should know enough not to do that.

What happens is that they panic, and see the aircraft is high. The primal, or non-cognitive survival instincts kick in. Their brain says "I am high and floating down the runway, I need to push down." Of course, they aren't thinking that the reason they are high and floating down the runways is because of excessive airspeed and pushing the nose down only intensifies the problem. I try to drive this home to my presolo students, but it doesn't always take. :)
 
And you don't need a PPL to do this bad. I have seen airline captains do just as bad as this. I sit there trying to hold back a grin :o as we taxi to the gate. I know there will be an excuse at some point before we park. Thank goodness for high-strength nose struts.
 
Kristie said:
it's called training..you have to suck it once in a while to learn.... :)
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:yeahthat:

Amen to that!!! Ahhh, truer words have never been spoken by a woman...:D

Kristie, I think you meant "suck at it" but I prefer the way you said it.:clap:
 
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