Wow...

poser765 said:
I think I can almost say that a lake is about my LAST option. And in an emergency I can assure you avoiding endangerment of property is not my main concern. Other people, then myself/passengers. If it's take out a parked car and knock down a stop light vs hoping the impact with the water doesn't kill me and that I don't drown after that...the city can bill me for the stop light.
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I used the lake as an example. The main point was the wires, which MikeD posted a picture of what may happen. As for not being concerned about the endangerment of others property, even in an emergency, that is obtuse. It was your choice to fly, not theirs.
 
moxiepilot said:
Sorry I don't agree with all the "Wow" and "Impressive" people.

The co-pilot pointed out 3 fields (whether they were viable options I don't know) - but, more importantly, roads have nasty things like telephone wires and electrical wires strung all around them especially in residential areas.

As PIC you are to aviod endangerment of persons or property at the surface - your choice to fly not theirs. Put it in the lake and pray you survive, but don't needlessly put other people at risk.

No kudos here.
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Like these guys in the video if you lose an engine your ONLY option is to land. You have in many cases mere seconds to decide what will be the best place to land. The BEST way to try and avoid endangering person or property is to maintain positive control, if you are busy looking for people, that's as futile as looking for power lines. Your focus should be on the largest most suitable surface to land an airplane. That would be the best way to avoid endangering those on the ground! If you can land it in an emergency and not damage it, you succeeded in avoiding damage to persons and property. which this guy did.
 
moxiepilot said:
I used the lake as an example. The main point was the wires, which MikeD posted a picture of what may happen. As for not being concerned about the endangerment of others property, even in an emergency, that is obtuse. It was your choice to fly, not theirs.
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Yes wires are bad, but given the choice of denting somebody's Tahoe and living, vs putting it upside down in the trees dead.... I'm taking the dented truck. I could give a rats behind about property. Now if we change the scenerio to peoples lives, then the story will change.
 
poser765 said:
I don't know if I can live with myself if I killed someone on the ground and I survived. That's not to say I wouldn't weight that risk with the risk of my passengers and my life and then act accordingly.

Property not even a consideration.
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Hypothetically speaking, in such a situation, would you go to jail?

That is, if you killed someone on the ground in an emergency landing?
 
SJM said:
Hypothetically speaking, in such a situation, would you go to jail?

That is, if you killed someone on the ground in an emergency landing?
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a true emergency no. Flying drunk/stoned and forgot to gas up before takeoff, probably
 
Not that my brain works very well anymore, but I can't recall any fatalities from forced landings on roads/highways. I also remember someone in the midwest putting a PC12 onto a city street successfully (took off a wingtip after touchdown, IIRC).
Anyone have examples?
 
XLR99 said:
Not that my brain works very well anymore, but I can't recall any fatalities from forced landings on roads/highways. I also remember someone in the midwest putting a PC12 onto a city street successfully (took off a wingtip after touchdown, IIRC).
Anyone have examples?
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once upon a time A lear (i believe) landed short at downtown KC. very short, like the other side of the river in between some warehouses. I dont think anyone was injured.
 
An acquaintance of mine lost an engine in a 172 and had to put it down on a street in North Las Vegas, the only damage was to a street sign.
 
moxiepilot said:
It was your choice to fly, not theirs.
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I still don't understand that argument. Landing in a field and destroying crops is still destroying a persons property and also source of income for them is it not? So should we avoid fields too because we chose to fly? If I have a clear highway\road next to a field full of crops or trees i'm taking the road. If my wingtip takes out a pole or dents a car or smashes a window, who cares, thats what we pay the insurance companies thousands for is it not? As long as no one is hurt that's all that matters. I could care less about the airplane or empty cars on the ground.
 
moxiepilot said:
It was your choice to fly, not theirs.
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I don't know about anyone else. But If i was a land owner or farmer, And a pilots engine failed and he had to make an emergency landing on my property. Honestly i wouldn't care if some of my crops were damaged. Because a human life is more important to me than a couple of plants. And i know that if i was a pilot in that situation i would hope that that land owner would feel the same.
 
moxiepilot said:
As PIC you are to aviod endangerment of persons or property at the surface - your choice to fly not theirs. Put it in the lake and pray you survive, but don't needlessly put other people at risk.
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XLR99 said:
Not that my brain works very well anymore, but I can't recall any fatalities from forced landings on roads/highways. I also remember someone in the midwest putting a PC12 onto a city street successfully (took off a wingtip after touchdown, IIRC).
Anyone have examples?
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I remember a number of years ago a cessna 4 something landing on a highway in North Oklahoma City. No injuries.
 
I think the passenger started clapping a little too early. I was expecting a city bus or something to pull out into the road at the last minute.
 
Compelling video.

Engine quits - nose lowers - able to restart

Nose raises - engine quits again - nose lowers again

One more brief start before engine quits for good



Nice outcome but I am guessing an awkward discussion about fuel took place shortly after landing.
 
calcapt said:
Compelling video.

Engine quits - nose lowers - able to restart

Nose raises - engine quits again - nose lowers again

One more brief start before engine quits for good



Nice outcome but I am guessing an awkward discussion about fuel took place shortly after landing.
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Awkward? Can you imagine the sweat that would form in the small of your back as you explained yourself.
 
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