With a FAA C-MEL, what amount of training would be needed for an ANAC equivalent? Would a C-MEL/Instrument type checkride suffice (for validation as you put it) along with the required written tests?
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With a FAA C-MEL, what amount of training would be needed for an ANAC equivalent? Would a C-MEL/Instrument type checkride suffice (for validation as you put it) along with the required written tests?
swisspilot
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Yes, and you will also have a C-SE on the Brazil license, with no need to take a ride in a SE, here if you hold a AMEL you have ASEL too. There is no min hours, you just need to hold an ICAO CPL for a validation, well anyway time requirements in Brazil are a lot lower, the training is far from the FAA standards. It's funny that for a validation you need to take an english proficiency test, but the local pilots english is pretty bad and they speak porto all the time, go on ATC live, I think they have Recife and couple other airports, English is as rare as somebody declaring an emergency. But I like the fact that pretty much everywhere you go they do the PPL in a tailwheel airplane, multi engine here is just a rating most fresh CPL have really few hours in it.
swisspilot
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Hi mike are you swiss? I'm from Lugano.
You will need to get a Brazilian License before you can apply anywhere, I don't know if this can be done in Florianopolis.
With your times you should stay in Europe or the US, I mean Brazil is beautiful but pilots pay is pretty low, and you will get the same pay as a 200TT fresh CPL guy and start as an FO.
and btw there is not many EMB145 flying here.
You can't choose your base, but you can commute pretty easy I think.
My gfs dad was a VARIG capt too, he also left for Korea.
TheAlchemist
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Hello,
Has anyone taken the regulaments written exam yet? I will be trying to transfer my ATP FAA to PLA ANAC and would like to know how hard that written is. Also, does anyone know how long you have to wait to take the written? Can I take it right after I turn all my paperwork/docs in or do I have to wait for until after the faa confirms to anac that I hold an ATP FAA license?
Thank you
Has anyone taken the regulaments written exam yet? I will be trying to transfer my ATP FAA to PLA ANAC and would like to know how hard that written is. Also, does anyone know how long you have to wait to take the written? Can I take it right after I turn all my paperwork/docs in or do I have to wait for until after the faa confirms to anac that I hold an ATP FAA license?
Thank you
swisspilot
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It's pretty easy if you understand porto, you can get a book online to study it's 20 questions, you don't need to be done with the application to take the test but you will have to be a resident.
To take it you just show up there, for the Rio area the test is at the Jacarepagua airport near the aeroclube do Brasil, you will have to take the flight test there, it's the only place with an affordable plane an old Seneca, other then that there is only an other option in the State of Rio, a C310 in marica (it goes for 700 dollars/hour). An other good place is in Juiz da Fora, but it's in Minas Gerais, they have a nice Twin Comanche....4 hours drive from Rio.
FAA is not even gonna know that you are getting an other license.
All the hours in your logbook that you used to get ratings in the US will have to be authenticated by the flight school/fbo where you did them, you just need a piece of paper with the hours signed by somebody. I kept a copy of all my 8710. After that you need to start a new brazilian logbook and copy all the hours on it.
I'm pretty sure that you can find different ways to do things by ANAC depending where you go, this is how it works in Rio.
No, I am not Swiss. I just work in Zurich. My wife and I are almost debt free and we are thinking about trying to start a family sometime in the next 3-5 years. Florianopolis is the place we both see it happening. Pay is all relative, Nao e? So even though it doesnt pay as good as Europe or the US it doesnt really matter to me. I commuted for 2 years and I am over that, so I guess what I am really looking for is a private operation (maybe a Legacy) or an airline based from Floripa so I can fly day trips, surf in the morning, raise my son or daughter, and be at home with my wife most nights. Not too picky huh?
. I know this dream doesnt really exist anymore, at least for me since Aloha airlines went out of business, but dreams are good to put in the back of the mind and indulge in every once in while. I'll leave sacrificing to you guys. Anyways back to reality (and a pretty damn good one, might I say). Safe flying.
TheAlchemist
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Thank you for the info Swisspilot.
I was under the impression that since ANAC will only validate one's hours with authenticated proof (will my last ATP-8710 alone do it?) the best route would be to transfer my FAA license. I know that if you're transferring a license there's no need for authenticated proof of flown hours, which would be a pain in the @ss to get proof of all my flying time at this point. Unless they accept my last 8710 as proof of my hours.
And yes I know portuguese...trying to get back home.
swisspilot
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Thank you for the info Swisspilot.
I was under the impression that since ANAC will only validate one's hours with authenticated proof (will my last ATP-8710 alone do it?) the best route would be to transfer my FAA license. I know that if you're transferring a license there's no need for authenticated proof of flown hours, which would be a pain in the @ss to get proof of all my flying time at this point. Unless they accept my last 8710 as proof of my hours.
And yes I know portuguese...trying to get back home.
I have to FIX something, you will need to show your ANAC protocol number when sitting for the Air Law exam. I called ANAC, and they said they actually got in touch with the FAA.
I think your last 8710 will do it. You can also get a proof of your hours, based on your last 8710 at your local FSDO, like the report you need in case you loose your logbook, you can even get your logbook signed by them.
What you mean by transferring your license?
TheAlchemist
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As far as I know I would have two ways of getting an ANAC certificate.
One would be by transferring an FAA license to ANAC (convalidação em português). ANAC contacts the FAA to verify that one holds a pilots license. Then take the "regulamentos" written test and a checkride (you also need the medical before that). This way one would not be required to show proof of hours as the FAA license (and verification of such) is your proof.
Another way would be to show authenticated proof of flight time and request a checkride. In this case you'd be getting an ANAC certificate that is not based on an FAA certificate so you'd have to take a complete written test instead "regulamentos" only. It could be somewhat faster this way (I think) as it could take up to 2-3 months for ANAC to verify a certificate with the FAA.
I asked you if they would accept the 8710 as proof of my flight time because I think the second option can be a little faster than the first one.
swisspilot
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In the validation there is no written test other then the Air Law exam, 20 questions and for a CPL IR. There is 3 different tests: VFR, Heli and IFR. The IFR is the one you have to take for an A-CPL validation. When done with everything you will have to take an english proficiency test.
If you have all the papers right in the first place it can take about two months to do everything, this may sound easy but in Brazil it's a pain.
Swisspilot, can you look in your crystal ball and predict how long Azul will be hiring?
Seriously though, are they filling the ranks pretty quickly from what you know? Think they'll still be hiring next year?
I read on PPrune that there are a lot of displaced pro pilots in Brazil from the defunct airlines and there are lots of fresh commercial pilots looking for jobs. What do you think?
Seriously though, are they filling the ranks pretty quickly from what you know? Think they'll still be hiring next year?
I read on PPrune that there are a lot of displaced pro pilots in Brazil from the defunct airlines and there are lots of fresh commercial pilots looking for jobs. What do you think?
swisspilot
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Swisspilot, can you look in your crystal ball and predict how long Azul will be hiring?
Seriously though, are they filling the ranks pretty quickly from what you know? Think they'll still be hiring next year?
I read on PPrune that there are a lot of displaced pro pilots in Brazil from the defunct airlines and there are lots of fresh commercial pilots looking for jobs. What do you think?
Well, they are hiring right now, and they will in the future, Azul is one of them. Most of this new regional airlines are getting new planes, it's true that there is a lot of exp. pilots here, but most of them are looking to get better jobs, with goal and tam.
Most of the things I know and I write here, come from my gf, she is a commercial pilot here in Brazil and her Dad, a 747 capt and EMB instructor.
Don't believe everything they write on pprune
here an amazing collection of the Brazilian aviation scene:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aviacaobrasil/
pilotb59
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Hey! my wife is after me to move to Brazil. She is Brazillian and also I completed the make a child part.... She wants me to go to Brazil to teach English, she has a conection with a company that teaches pilots! perhaps I should get thinking about this before I am too old. She lived in BH, in the state of Minas Gerais. Hmmmm I'll have to look into this, I ama late bloomer in the flying world, spent first life as a Captain in the army... Canadian that is, I am Commercial, multi, Instrument 889 TT with over 200 multi. Have worked here in Canada part time cargo/passenger driver in an Aztec.
Interesting anyway, ............. hope my wife doesn't see this too soon
Interesting anyway, ............. hope my wife doesn't see this too soon
Cessna414JJB
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Do what the wife says. . .
I've been Dudley Do Wrong for quite awhile, but if the wife told me head south to Brazil, I'm there!
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Do what the wife says. . .
I've been Dudley Do Wrong for quite awhile, but if the wife told me head south to Brazil, I'm there!
Especially if she has a Brazilian.
pilotb59
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Well I am heading back down there again for a month on 23rd of Feb. I will certainly have alot more to look into this time! I'll be in BH for a week so might get a chance to check out a couple aeroclubs. Then were are off to Curitiba for a week near the beach.
Also will be checking on my wifes's contact about teaching pilots their english and improving my Portuguse....
Most times I am there though I must agree with BCTAv8r that aftrer a month, i am ready to come home. That might be more because I am lazy to learn Portuguse, however now I have a reason to persure this more so perhaps with that motivation, I'll not getr bored so soon.....
Also will be checking on my wifes's contact about teaching pilots their english and improving my Portuguse....
Most times I am there though I must agree with BCTAv8r that aftrer a month, i am ready to come home. That might be more because I am lazy to learn Portuguse, however now I have a reason to persure this more so perhaps with that motivation, I'll not getr bored so soon.....