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Gonzo said:
You don't get it. The AA pilots that are over 60 are the ones I am talking about. They have a guaranteed A- fund, and a better pay scale.
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I understand that. I was just making sure people don't turn this into an over-60 hating club just because older AA pilots are well off.
 
meritflyer said:
Get over it.
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mrivc211 said:
For all the one hit wonders at regionals that are willing to work for nothing because they think they will move on......use this as a learning lesson. Who am I kidding, this generation of children will never learn, only talk back and thinkthey are immune.
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Huh?? From what I can gather from your posts you are 30ish with
5-6ish years rj seniority? I must be totally missing something cause you talk like your 60 years old trying to educate "the kiddies" cause they don't respect your mustache and/or get how your generation used to walk 8 miles in the snow to the schoolhouse? I must be mixing you up with somebody else.
 
wheelsup said:
So you're talking about yourself then? OK thanks, just checking.

We all took the job making peanuts, bro. Just because you make more now as a CA doesn't mean you can look down on others for taking the job as an FO. I mean WTF?

IMO the pay at the regionals isn't so bad, it's the job security that blows. If the job was much more stable and secure it wouldn't be so bad.
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Please allow me to take your foot out of your own rear. I was referring to the guys who are willing to fly a larger airplane just to bring it on property so they can get their pic time and leave. Listen, I'm getting sick of hearing your debby downer sob life story on here. You had it tough? So has everyone else. Only difference is some refuse to be a bitch and lowerthe bar.
 
Hootie said:
Huh?? From what I can gather from your posts you are 30ish with
5-6ish years rj seniority? I must be totally missing something cause you talk like your 60 years old trying to educate "the kiddies" cause they don't respect your mustache and/or get how your generation used to walk 8 miles in the snow to the schoolhouse? I must be mixing you up with somebody else.
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I was referring to the types I've recently flown with who are very willing to fly Q400's for bro wages. Nothing else was meant or implied. Wheelsup is not the first to be envious that he wasn't at the right plae at the right time. Get over your sob story. Only you can make your life successful and don't hate others for their success.
 
mrivc211 said:
I was referring to the types I've recently flown with who are very willing to fly Q400's for bro wages. Nothing else was meant or implied. Wheelsup is not the first to be envious that he wasn't at the right place at the right time or a place that flies 700s and 900s at 200 rates. Get over your sob story. Only you can make your life successful and don't hate others for their success.
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Fixed it for you.
 
Here's another angle to consider:

Pilots at AA are currently in long-running contract negotiations.

Could it be.. just maybe, that this has something to do with that?

They've been asking for a return to pre-9/11 pay rates among other things. Perhaps this is just AMR tightening the thumbscrews on the pilot group's negotiating committee?

As for those advising to screw the senior guys- are you crazy? Not a single of us is getting more junior. We all get more senior by the day, and barring a permanent reduction in force or the company folding, that's how it'll always be.

The guys at the top have worked there for decades to be where they are. Age 65 is something that we'll benefit from as well- it might delay retirement for some, but we'll have those years to work as well, should we so choose.

Screwing the senior is like saying you can get cheaper health insurance by setting fire to the old folks' home.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Age 65 is something that we'll benefit from as well- it might delay retirement for some, but we'll have those years to work as well, should we so choose.
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BS. Do the math. The geezer gets another 5 years in the left seat, while you get another 5 years in the right seat, or worse, stuck at the regionals, and you still end up with the same amount of time in the left seat that you would have under the original retirement age. The only people that benefit are the geezers that were already in the left seat at a major. Everyone else gets screwed to varying degrees.
 
mrivc211 said:
I was referring to the types I've recently flown with who are very willing to fly Q400's for bro wages. Nothing else was meant or implied. Wheelsup is not the first to be envious that he wasn't at the right plae at the right time. Get over your sob story. Only you can make your life successful and don't hate others for their success.
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I don't "hate you" for your "success", get over yourself. That wasn't what my post was about.
 
mrivc211 said:
Please allow me to take your foot out of your own rear. I was referring to the guys who are willing to fly a larger airplane just to bring it on property so they can get their pic time and leave. Listen, I'm getting sick of hearing your debby downer sob life story on here. You had it tough? So has everyone else. Only difference is some refuse to be a bitch and lowerthe bar.
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Haha that's great.

The "bar raisers" are a fraction of their former selves. Comair did; they struck for 89 days. Look where they are now.

Look where ACA is.

Look where AWAC is.

Look where XJT is.
 
XJT got caught in the DCI carrier shuffle and is recalling after being awarded 32 airplanes worth of flying with United.

Where does that put XJT?
 
I have it on good authority from many pilots on the interwebs that the pilot shortage is coming. I also believe anything I hear or makeup as long as it sounds good for me.
 
Gonzo said:
You don't get it. The AA pilots that are over 60 are the ones I am talking about. They have a guaranteed A- fund, and a better pay scale.
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Worth not even close to what it used to.

ATN_Pilot said:
BS. Do the math. The geezer gets another 5 years in the left seat, while you get another 5 years in the right seat, or worse, stuck at the regionals, and you still end up with the same amount of time in the left seat that you would have under the original retirement age. The only people that benefit are the geezers that were already in the left seat at a major. Everyone else gets screwed to varying degrees.
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Wow, you make no sense. SO you want the "geezer" to quit his job that he/she loves doing day in and day out just because they turn sixty years old while they can do it for another five years? Not all these sixty year old pilots have been with one company for thirty to forty years. They are too far and in between. Its the same situation that these folks at the regionals are having to put up, just ten, fifteen, twenty, or thirty years ago.

Tell me if YOU were in THEIR situation YOU wouldnt DO the same thing?
 
Dynasty22 said:
Wow, you make no sense. SO you want the "geezer" to quit his job that he/she loves doing day in and day out just because they turn sixty years old while they can do it for another five years? Not all these sixty year old pilots have been with one company for thirty to forty years. They are too far and in between. Its the same situation that these folks at the regionals are having to put up, just ten, fifteen, twenty, or thirty years ago.

Tell me if YOU were in THEIR situation YOU wouldnt DO the same thing?
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Although it may very well be his opinion, he didn't actually say that he blamed them for staying on the line in his post.

It was just pointing out the fact that the change in the law has extended everyone by five years in their current seat and that is absolutely correct.
 
Everyone started this career under the same rules: you have to retire at 60. To change the rules mid-stream, in the middle of a decade-long industry downturn, was absolutely unconscionable.
 
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