Good and Bad Days in Helicopter Practice ?

grasshopper

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Hi all,

My only flight experience in life will probably be limited to Microsoft Flight sim, but to make my helicopter practice as realistic as possible, I acquired a cyclic, collective with twist-grip throttle and rudder pedals from Go Flight, and all my scenery is projected to fill a 12-foot square wall, as opposed to me squinting at a tiny computer screen.

I noticed during my many hours of hovering practice and flying that on some occasions I am definitely "in the zone", where my cyclic inputs are precise and subtle enough to be barely visible, enabling me to set the R22 down light as a feather on rooftops in the excellent Manhattan Scenery produced by Aerosoft for FS 2004.

On other occasions, though, I find myself over-correcting with the cyclic and basically flailing all over the place in hovers or when coming in for a landing flare, which on such days I generally overdo, causing the bird to backslide.

I am a bit baffled as to why my control touch can be so smooth on one day, and then utterly inept in the next practice session, so I thought I'd ask here if such motor control variations also occur in the process of learning to fly a real helicopter.

When I first started out practicing with the realistic controls I use with my home helicopter simulator, I assumed that there would be a smooth learning curve till I reached the point where all control inputs become instinctive and consistent, but this has not turned out to be the case, due to this " good day-bad day " syndrome I have noticed, and this got me curious enough to ask here if it is in fact common for helicopter pilot trainees to progress in such fits and starts, rather than in a predictable refinement from novice to expert.

Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
My helicopter flights range from "I can do this" to "I shouldn't use cutlery unsupervised". I certainly hope it gets better with practice.
 
I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone in my stumbling mode of learning, Esa17. I sure look forward to when the cobwebs are gone for good.
 
I am a bit baffled as to why my control touch can be so smooth on one day, and then utterly inept in the next practice session, so I thought I'd ask here if such motor control variations also occur in the process of learning to fly a real helicopter.

When I first started out practicing with the realistic controls I use with my home helicopter simulator, I assumed that there would be a smooth learning curve till I reached the point where all control inputs become instinctive and consistent, but this has not turned out to be the case, due to this " good day-bad day " syndrome I have noticed, and this got me curious enough to ask here if it is in fact common for helicopter pilot trainees to progress in such fits and starts, rather than in a predictable refinement from novice to expert.

Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.

Depends on the day. Remember, smaller movements are better, and slower is faster.
 
Depends on the day. Remember, smaller movements are better, and slower is faster.

I recently watched a documentary about Viet Nam Huey pilots, and one of them described ideal cyclic displacements as being not much greater than the diameter of a quarter coin.

Working towards that level of skill is taking longer than I expected, for sure, but at least I am more in control than not these days, which is a modest improvement.
 
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I can't find any of the really crazy ones...
 
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I can't find any of the really crazy ones...

Ha ha I've had quite a few episodes like that.
 
Keep in mind that even with a 12-ft wall projection, you still lack peripheral vision, side windows, chin bubbles, and your proprioceptive senses. That's going to make a difficult to learn task even that much harder. Not that it can't be done - flying with NVGs knocks out the peripheral vision and limits your field of view to 40 degrees - then again, we learn to fly in the day before that.

You also don't have an instructor to help you either, thus lengthening your learning curve.

(And Deadstick - there's got to be wilder hovering practice videos out there! I know my first day looked WAY worse than that! :))
 
I remember one day after a particularly bad day of trying to learn to hover the TH57 at NAS Ellyson my instructor asked me if I felt any resistance or binding on the controls. I replied that,come to think of it, I did. He then informed me that he was said resistance. He further stated "I'm trying to save us, you're trying to kill us. Don't fight me lieutenant because if you win,we die." I loosened up on the controls significantly after he explained it to me that way.
 
I remember one day after a particularly bad day of trying to learn to hover the TH57 at NAS Ellyson my instructor asked me if I felt any resistance or binding on the controls. I replied that,come to think of it, I did. He then informed me that he was said resistance. He further stated "I'm trying to save us, you're trying to kill us. Don't fight me lieutenant because if you win,we die." I loosened up on the controls significantly after he explained it to me that way.

I'd often wondered, Scarface, about when helicopter instructors know that it is time to take over the cyclic from a student who is on the edge of control, and your post answers that question for me : The "hand of God" is there all along, exerting inputs in proportion to how wrong the trainee's control touch becomes.
 
I remember learning how to hover; I would get it all together but then start to drift forward every time. My instructor grabbed the controls and took us to the edge of the field (Site 8?) where there was a tree line and put us in a hover about 20 feet from the trees, handed the controls back to me and said, "OK, let's see you drift forward now!"

Needless to say I was cured...


Kevin
 
I often wonder what learning to fly the TH-1 will be like after 6 more months...but then I remember that I have to master the T-6 first.
 
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