King Air 200 info
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PFGiardino
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Forget all this noise, it's a board full of professional pilots that mustn't know what they're talking about. They'd pass up free King Air time? Fools them all!
Jokes aside.
Don't do it. If you're logging it, you're getting paid. Of course it hurts... as a lowly sub thousand hour CFI, I can imagine that it would be quite tempting. I know from your CFI gig that you already have cash for the continuation of breathing, but let them pay you some supplemental income or let them find someone else. The FAA considers flight time as compensation because they don't want folks with a private license to become involved in carriage of any kind, not because they want Joe Blow with a King Air to be able to find a free pilot.
If you're needed, you need to be paid.
PS, jumping in a King Air with some guy doesn't sound too legit. What if something happens wherein your skills are actually needed to get the thing down in marginal WX or with a mechanical? Is the guy going to have you thoroughly trained, or are you going to be a gear/frequency monkey?
Jokes aside.
Don't do it. If you're logging it, you're getting paid. Of course it hurts... as a lowly sub thousand hour CFI, I can imagine that it would be quite tempting. I know from your CFI gig that you already have cash for the continuation of breathing, but let them pay you some supplemental income or let them find someone else. The FAA considers flight time as compensation because they don't want folks with a private license to become involved in carriage of any kind, not because they want Joe Blow with a King Air to be able to find a free pilot.
If you're needed, you need to be paid.
PS, jumping in a King Air with some guy doesn't sound too legit. What if something happens wherein your skills are actually needed to get the thing down in marginal WX or with a mechanical? Is the guy going to have you thoroughly trained, or are you going to be a gear/frequency monkey?
PFGiardino
Well-Known Member
Regarding flight time as compensation per FAA in the above post, I meant to say pilots without an operating certificate, not private pilots. It's late.
Skyway Airlines, 1996:
"Did you pay for any of your multi-engine time?"
"Apart from training, how much of your multi-engine time was as PIC, meaning the person who signs for the airplane?"
My opinion is that there isn't enough information given to start casting judgement. If this is a Part 91 single pilot operation I probably wouldn't get all worked up about letting a second pilot ride along and get some experience without pay. But there could be circumstances involved that change that scenario (and my opinion) as well.
Bottom line - I can see some cases where flying without pay is not that big a deal, so why get all up in arms? Such a knee jerk topic!
Bottom line - I can see some cases where flying without pay is not that big a deal, so why get all up in arms? Such a knee jerk topic!
Planedriver28
Well-Known Member
Wow, if I had no idea I would be stirring such a big pot.
Ok, here's the deal. I work full time during the week and flight instruct on evenings and weekends. That is how the bills get paid.
As an A&P, I am actually quite familiar with the PT6. (several models). I used to work specifically on a BE200 from radome to beacon actually. That was some of my best A&P experience.
FWIW, I am aware of the relative complexity of the King Air. It ain't to 172. Got it. When I first got offered this opportunity, the first thing I did was get a King Air 200 Manual. Guess what I was reading before I came to the computer to check weather and JC this morning?
My expenses will be covered by the company. It appears now that I WILL also be compensated for my time also.
I am reading the manual to learn all I can about flying the airplane, and its systems. I am doing this because this opportunity will provide me with a new experience and a new skillset that I could not afford to obtain otherwise.
Ok, here's the deal. I work full time during the week and flight instruct on evenings and weekends. That is how the bills get paid.
As an A&P, I am actually quite familiar with the PT6. (several models). I used to work specifically on a BE200 from radome to beacon actually. That was some of my best A&P experience.
FWIW, I am aware of the relative complexity of the King Air. It ain't to 172. Got it. When I first got offered this opportunity, the first thing I did was get a King Air 200 Manual. Guess what I was reading before I came to the computer to check weather and JC this morning?
My expenses will be covered by the company. It appears now that I WILL also be compensated for my time also.
I am reading the manual to learn all I can about flying the airplane, and its systems. I am doing this because this opportunity will provide me with a new experience and a new skillset that I could not afford to obtain otherwise.
esa17
Well-Known Member
In that case, enjoy the heck out of it.Wow, if I had no idea I would be stirring such a big pot.
Ok, here's the deal. I work full time during the week and flight instruct on evenings and weekends. That is how the bills get paid.
As an A&P, I am actually quite familiar with the PT6. (several models). I used to work specifically on a BE200 from radome to beacon actually. That was some of my best A&P experience.
FWIW, I am aware of the relative complexity of the King Air. It ain't to 172. Got it. When I first got offered this opportunity, the first thing I did was get a King Air 200 Manual. Guess what I was reading before I came to the computer to check weather and JC this morning?
My expenses will be covered by the company. It appears now that I WILL also be compensated for my time also.
I am reading the manual to learn all I can about flying the airplane, and its systems. I am doing this because this opportunity will provide me with a new experience and a new skillset that I could not afford to obtain otherwise.
moxiepilot
Well-Known Member
problem solved. enjoy the flying.
wjmiller3
Well-Known Member
Wow, if I had no idea I would be stirring such a big pot.
Ok, here's the deal. I work full time during the week and flight instruct on evenings and weekends. That is how the bills get paid.
As an A&P, I am actually quite familiar with the PT6. (several models). I used to work specifically on a BE200 from radome to beacon actually. That was some of my best A&P experience.
FWIW, I am aware of the relative complexity of the King Air. It ain't to 172. Got it. When I first got offered this opportunity, the first thing I did was get a King Air 200 Manual. Guess what I was reading before I came to the computer to check weather and JC this morning?
My expenses will be covered by the company. It appears now that I WILL also be compensated for my time also.
I am reading the manual to learn all I can about flying the airplane, and its systems. I am doing this because this opportunity will provide me with a new experience and a new skillset that I could not afford to obtain otherwise.
Dude, you ruined it!!! We were easily on pace for my 6 page projection by tomorrow at the latest!!
Enjoy the King Air, it is a blast to fly!!
Planedriver28
Well-Known Member
Thanks guys, the advice is always appreciated. Thought I was going to get stoned to death there for a while.... whew.
wrxpilot
New Member
Hey all,
I happened into a deal, where I can start flying with a guy in a BE200. Long story short, word-of-mouth, and helping out at the airport got me introduced to this guy. He has to be in the airplane for insurance reasons, (as of right now) BUT I am fairly sure I can log the time if I am flying.
My certs: CFI(I), CMEL and of course high perf, complex, and I DO have a high altitude endorsement.
61 says a type is required for OVER 12,500 and turbojet.
BE200 certified max gross is 12500, (not over 12,500) and not a turbojet. (obviously) So a type is not required........ right?
Forgive me if I a missing something, but just to be 100% on this, please chime in.
Bottom line, I am confirming that I can (insurance requirements aside) log the time, (even PIC) for the time that I am sole manipulator....yes/no/maybe?
Sounds like your hard work is paying off, sweet!
I'm a little confused about one thing though... You say that "He has to be in the airplane for insurance reasons, (as of right now) BUT I am fairly sure I can log the time if I am flying". Why would he NOT be in the airplane? I'm assuming this is an owner/pilot and you're just riding along and occasionally getting some stick time? Or does he need a CFI for insurance reasons?
Douglas
Old School KSUX
PFGiardino
Well-Known Member
In that event, good on you, and congrats on the gig. It should be some fun.
R
Roger, Roger
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You answered my question.Wow, if I had no idea I would be stirring such a big pot.
Ok, here's the deal. I work full time during the week and flight instruct on evenings and weekends. That is how the bills get paid.
As an A&P, I am actually quite familiar with the PT6. (several models). I used to work specifically on a BE200 from radome to beacon actually. That was some of my best A&P experience.
FWIW, I am aware of the relative complexity of the King Air. It ain't to 172. Got it. When I first got offered this opportunity, the first thing I did was get a King Air 200 Manual. Guess what I was reading before I came to the computer to check weather and JC this morning?
My expenses will be covered by the company. It appears now that I WILL also be compensated for my time also.
I am reading the manual to learn all I can about flying the airplane, and its systems. I am doing this because this opportunity will provide me with a new experience and a new skillset that I could not afford to obtain otherwise.
Right answer.
Have fun mang!