Flight Instructor Privileges...

Stomp16

Stomp16

You mean Shennanigans?!?!
As we all know 61.193 states...

A person who holds a flight instructor certificate is authorized within the limitations of that person's flight instructor certificate and ratings to train and issue endorsements that are required for:
(a) A student pilot certificate;
(b) A pilot certificate;
(c) A flight instructor certificate;
(d) A ground instructor certificate;
(e) An aircraft rating;
(f) An instrument rating;
(g) A flight review, operating privilege, or recency of experience requirement of this part;
(h) A practical test; and
(i) A knowledge test.


Is there anything out there that defines "operating privilege"?
 
PFGiardino said:
I haven't yet found a legal definition, but given the context, it is for a term for student pilots. You are authorized to endorse their student pilot certificate (a), and when you sign their cross country endorsements, etc, you give them operating privilege (g).

That's my interpretation to what I've read at FAASTeam:

http://www.faasteamreps.com/gslac/ALC/libview_normal.aspx?id=6577
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Wouldn't "to train and issue endorsements that are required for:
(a) A student pilot certificate;" cover everything needed for the student pilot certificate, therefore making (g) a separate part?
 
I'm saying that after you've trained the student to be proficient enough for a student pilot certificate, and used your authority under 61.193 to sign the back of their medical/logbook attesting to such, you still need to give them individual solo endorsements.

So in other words, after issuance of a student pilot certificate, you still need to give them operational privilege to go on that long cross country, etc. That's where (g) comes in. A student pilot certificate without a CFI's granting operating privileges (read "endorsements") does not leave the student eligible to do such things.
 
I think the "operating privilege" refers to the complex, hp, tailwheel, and high altitude endorsements.
 
PFGiardino said:
I'm saying that after you've trained the student to be proficient enough for a student pilot certificate, and used your authority under 61.193 to sign the back of their medical/logbook attesting to such, you still need to give them individual solo endorsements.

So in other words, after issuance of a student pilot certificate, you still need to give them operational privilege to go on that long cross country, etc. That's where (g) comes in. A student pilot certificate without a CFI's granting operating privileges (read "endorsements") does not leave the student eligible to do such things.
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Makes sense. It just seems an odd place to put that in with flight review and recency of experience. What about line checks, initial/recurrent training given for a specific make and model within a company? I interpret this as being able to log dual-given because I am signing off for an "operational privilege" within an organization. More or less a "check-ride" to determine if the pilot is able to safely fly company aircraft.
 
deadstick said:
I think the "operating privilege" refers to the complex, hp, tailwheel, and high altitude endorsements.
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It's that too, and if I had the attention span to have read the entire page that I posted from FAASteam, maybe I'd have beat you to it. I can always hope...

Stomp, I think the stuff you're broaching is covered under those parts that the company operates under (135 line checks and the like).
 
PFGiardino said:
It's that too, and if I had the attention span to have read the entire page that I posted from FAASteam, maybe I'd have beat you to it. I can always hope...

Stomp, I think the stuff you're broaching is covered under those parts that the company operates under (135 line checks and the like).
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We're are not 135 though. We reflect a 135 and function as closely as possible to that but we are 91.
 
PFGiardino said:
It's that too, and if I had the attention span to have read the entire page that I posted from FAASteam, maybe I'd have beat you to it. I can always hope...

Stomp, I think the stuff you're broaching is covered under those parts that the company operates under (135 line checks and the like).
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attention..what? There was a link? :D
 
Stomp16 said:
Is there anything out there that defines "operating privilege"?
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Not really. The old FAQs said:

An operating privilege is like a tailwheel airplane operating privilege, complex airplane operating privilege, high performance airplane operating privilege, glider launch operating privilege, etc. Therefore, if there is an operating privilege limitation/restriction on the person’s foreign pilot license then that limitation/restriction would carry over to the U.S. § 61.75 pilot certificate.

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Elsewhere, SIC qualification was referred to as an operating privilege, and so was the Instrument Rating. The Aviation Instructor's Handbook says:

Aircraft Characteristics
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The requirement for a type rating is limited to large (greater than 12,500 lbs MGTOW) and turbojet-power aircraft. However, certain small and piston-powered aircraft have characteristics that require additional training for safe operation. For example, 14 CFR 61.69 specifies training and experience required for towing a glider. Specific additional aircraft training requirements are outlined in 14 CFR 61.31, and instructor endorsements that attest to the satisfactory completion of this training are the mechanism used to confer the necessary operating privilege. Endorsements related to aircraft characteristics include those for complex, high performance, high altitude, tailwheel, and glider ground operations. In addition, 14 CFR 61.31(h) provides for “additional aircraft type-specific training” in cases where the FAA has determined that such training is required.
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The FAASTeam material seems to be a direct cut and paste of that.
 
Might also refer to sport pilots. I haven't studied those regulations in depth, but I know they have some restrictions with their certificates that a flight instructor can sign off that might be considered "operating privileges"
 
Under Part 61 - Subpart J -Sport Pilots
61.301...purpose and application...
(a)(6) Privileges and limits

All through the certification of Sport Pilots are various "privileges" a Sport Pilot Instructor, or CFI, can sign off on.
 
nosehair said:
Under Part 61 - Subpart J -Sport Pilots
61.301...purpose and application...
(a)(6) Privileges and limits

All through the certification of Sport Pilots are various "privileges" a Sport Pilot Instructor, or CFI, can sign off on.
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Recreational Pilot as well I believe.
 
nosehair said:
Under Part 61 - Subpart J -Sport Pilots
61.301...purpose and application...
(a)(6) Privileges and limits

All through the certification of Sport Pilots are various "privileges" a Sport Pilot Instructor, or CFI, can sign off on.
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poser765 said:
Recreational Pilot as well I believe.
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Thanks for the info. I've never looked into the sport pilot rating so I have no idea about it.

It seems as though there is no real definition of operational privilege therefore leaving it open to interpretation.
 
Stomp16 said:
Thanks for the info. I've never looked into the sport pilot rating so I have no idea about it.

It seems as though there is no real definition of operational privilege therefore leaving it open to interpretation.
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Either that or an acceptance that sometimes English is just English, even in regulations.
 
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