VATSIM

Well I see queeno hasn't changed a bit in the time I've been gone. *chuckle*

I washed out of the Academy. I miss it terribly and wish I could be at my facility, but the reality of it is that I'm not there and probably never will be. However, if you want to play around and see what VATSIM has to offer, I'd encourage it. Just don't take any of it with you to the Academy. Don't mention it to anyone. It's one of those things that's just better left unsaid.

I was on VATSIM/SATCO when ProCrontroller was around, and I loved it. It's a great way to SIMULATE the environment with no real-life reprocussions. Nobody is claiming VATSIM is a professional training aid or a real-life substitute, queeno. Rosstafari asked a valid question and deserves a valid answer.

Queeno, I'd recommend taking up playing a first person shooter, or if you're really as much of a ____ as you act on here, going to play WoW. Maybe your inferiority complex will dissolve into something of the past.

Disclaimer: I don't play WoW.

If you want to read some funny stuff about WoW, go to http://www.wowdetox.com

Cheers!
 
queeno said:
nothing like learning the wrong stuff only to have to unlearn it,yea that makes training easy,vatsim is a game its not airtraffic control no matter how real they try to make it ,and trying to learn it from a bunch of wannbees is just gonna make it harder in the long run. you learn airtraffic controll working live traffic being trained by real controllers.

last thing i want is some trainee that i need to unteach bad habbets thay learned on the internet.we got a CTI at C90 that told the training manager hat he didnt need to go to the radar lab because he said that he had prior atc experiance, when asked were he worked he told him that he was a supervisor on vatsim.boy did that spread through the tracon like a wild fire and that kid took a lot of crap for a long time.

you nubees need to stop worring about training, you have the ablity to do the job or you dont and it will show quick enought.
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:laff: I can only imagine. Now here is the real question; did he actually know anything at all or was it all BS.



And Rossta heed what they are saying here man. Queeno has probably been controlling for 90% of your life.(Might be retired now)
 
boondr said:
:laff: I can only imagine. Now here is the real question; did he actually know anything at all or was it all BS.

And Rossta heed what they are saying here man. Queeno has probably been controlling for 90% of your life.(Might be retired now)
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What queeno described, if applied to the pilot world, would be a guy attenting a flight school for his Private Pilot License and claiming to not need X training since he already has prior flying experience......on Microsoft Flight Sim.

He'd be given a kick in the ass.

But that type of person, admittedly, is a rare specimen. At least I hope very few people would be so dumb as to try and pull that.
 
MikeD said:
What queeno described, if applied to the pilot world, would be a guy attenting a flight school for his Private Pilot License and claiming to not need X training since he already has prior flying experience......on Microsoft Flight Sim.

He'd be given a kick in the ass.

But that type of person, admittedly, is a rare specimen. At least I hope very few people would be so dumb as to try and pull that.
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Oh I know he wasn't even close to being even a bad controller at best, my question is did he get anything out of it. For example I know nothing except the basics of piloting(I.E. I understand lift, I know what rudders, ailerons and elevators are) but I have zero clue on how to put it all together. Would Flightsim at least increase my knowledge or would it warp my techniques so much that it would be harder to teach me.


Reason I ask is every "game" I have ever played for ATC is so far from the real thing it pisses me off. But I never played VATSIM so can't speak to it. I imagine it's the same
 
boondr said:
Oh I know he wasn't even close to being even a bad controller at best, my question is did he get anything out of it. For example I know nothing except the basics of piloting(I.E. I understand lift, I know what rudders, ailerons and elevators are) but I have zero clue on how to put it all together. Would Flightsim at least increase my knowledge or would it warp my techniques so much that it would be harder to teach me.


Reason I ask is every "game" I have ever played for ATC is so far from the real thing it pisses me off. But I never played VATSIM so can't speak to it. I imagine it's the same
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Thats what I mean........if someone uses something like a sim program to just get an exposure or basic understanding of something in order to increase their recognition of subjects or catching-on of concepts while in school....that's cool.

It's the guys who come in with the "I don't need to learn that, I've got experience already"......all from some sim, who are the guys who are going to get bitten hard.

It's all in what you do with what you learn, and how you keep it in perspective.
 
MikeD said:
Thats what I mean........if someone uses something like a sim program to just get an exposure or basic understanding of something in order to increase their recognition of subjects or catching-on of concepts while in school....that's cool.

It's the guys who come in with the "I don't need to learn that, I've got experience already"......all from some sim, who are the guys who are going to get bitten hard.

It's all in what you do with what you learn, and how you keep it in perspective.
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:yeahthat:
 
boondr said:
And Rossta heed what they are saying here man. Queeno has probably been controlling for 90% of your life.(Might be retired now)
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Probably not, unless he's gotten an age waiver. But my point was that he didn't make any substantial contribution, he just spouted off that it wasn't the real thing (duh) and that he knew some bonehead who thought he could skip RTF because he played around on it (also, duh... I met that guy while getting my private). Neither conclusion was drawn out of years of controlling experience, it was just some snotty remark from someone who can't spell. And who has a habit of making poorly spelled snotty remarks here on JC.

It's nice to have someone with some time drop in, but if they can't make a point without being a db, I'll pass.

boondr said:
Reason I ask is every "game" I have ever played for ATC is so far from the real thing it pisses me off. But I never played VATSIM so can't speak to it. I imagine it's the same
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That's the same reason I was asking. I know there're plenty of (real) controllers and pilots who use it, so I was seeing if any of them were here.

MikeD said:
Thats what I mean........if someone uses something like a sim program to just get an exposure or basic understanding of something in order to increase their recognition of subjects or catching-on of concepts while in school....that's cool.
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Based on the input I've gotten -- most of it came in on the other ATC-related forum I'm on -- that been the conclusion I've been drawing. I mean, if I'm going to be spending time in the maps and .65 anyway, may as well see what kind of spin they put on it. Being someone with reasonable mental capacity, I'm pretty comfortable in not worrying that I won't be able to distinguish what VATSIM does from what I'll learn in classes and from my trainer.
 
Rosstafari said:
Based on the input I've gotten -- most of it came in on the other ATC-related forum I'm on -- that been the conclusion I've been drawing. I mean, if I'm going to be spending time in the maps and .65 anyway, may as well see what kind of spin they put on it. Being someone with reasonable mental capacity, I'm pretty comfortable in not worrying that I won't be able to distinguish what VATSIM does from what I'll learn in classes and from my trainer.
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You're probably also not the person that will get to training in the queeno example and try to pull the "oh I don't need to be taught that, I already have experience". It's "that guy" to which my warnings are directed to. I'd like to believe that those "that guy's" are a rarity, at least.
 
MikeD said:
You're probably also not the person that will get to training in the queeno example and try to pull the "oh I don't need to be taught that, I already have experience". It's "that guy" to which my warnings are directed to. I'd like to believe that those "that guy's" are a rarity, at least.
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Oh no no no. You see, I'll get there and go, "Screw you guys, I've already read this stuff on JetCareers. Which way to the union break room? Hey, didn't I meet you at last year's network in Vegas?"
 
VATSIM is not even close to Real world OPS, if you come to your facility and say that you got VATSIM experience that's going to make you look dumb,I am sure when they make you work 50% problem you will have few deals in one hour.
 
surreal1221 said:
Been a member with VATSIM for, going on 11 years now. Back in the days with ProController and SATCO. Helped beta test ASRC, and have slowly drifted away from the network.

Still a wonderful training ground, so long as both pilot and controller take it professionally.
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Same, probably a tiny bit longer, actually. I knew Jason, the guy that designed the software, and was testing it LONG prior to any dedicated servers.

But now it's too freakin' serious.
 
MikeD said:
What queeno described, if applied to the pilot world, would be a guy attenting a flight school for his Private Pilot License and claiming to not need X training since he already has prior flying experience......on Microsoft Flight Sim.

He'd be given a kick in the ass.

But that type of person, admittedly, is a rare specimen. At least I hope very few people would be so dumb as to try and pull that.
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Wait, you mean I don't automatically get TPIC credit for all my PMDG time? Damn....:sarcasm:


Back on topic, flying online within VATSIM was a huge help in getting me comfortable on the radio when I started flying...If you already know what to expect and how the sequence 'ought to go, you're golden....just don't get your hopes up for an "Airplane" esque sequence where you get to land a 737 after both the guys up front had the bad fish...I think that's the big problem with VATSIM.
 
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