Bets on when regionals will fly 737s in the USA?

PeanuckleCRJ said:
As far as the original question- the legacies now have an entire generation that has been screwed by "scope creep." Their captain seats are being flown for 50 or 60 dollars an hour at outsourced companies.

The mindset now is "I've given for decades... time for payback."
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So the clear answer is.... YES, the major pilots and the unions are working on taking it back. A little at a time, but it's better than nothing.
 
cencal83406 said:
So the clear answer is.... YES, the major pilots and the unions are working on taking it back. A little at a time, but it's better than nothing.
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I think what you will see in the future is more "code sharing" with airlines like Republic being the wholesaler and Delta/United/American etc. buying seats on their planes and reselling them via their own booking system (retail) or something similar.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That doesn't REALLY count as those are small airlines flying on their own (at first), not necessarily regional airlines.

The Piedmont now is hardly the same thing that it used to be.
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That's the point. To "infer" that a Regional flying bigger equipement is "bad" simply because right now they are a regional is short sighted. Airlines evolve, grow, shrink, blink out of existance, blink into existance, etc.

Now, if those bigger airframes (that being relative) get on property at current regionals without pay and QOL to match, then yes, it is a mistake. If pilots at the current Legacy carriers keep allowing scope and such to be eroded to the point that a current regional can take them over by absorbing there market share, that is just business.

How and if that happens, needs to be correctly (proper pay, scope all that jazz).
 
A-300F4-622R = Browntothebone?

To answer the original question, who cares (and, it has already been done many times over)? If ASA wants to buy 737's to fly under their own code that is perfectly fine. Granted it didn't work out too well (God bless them, they tried with Airbuses) but, ever hear of ACA/Independence?

Also, this sounds very similar to the stuff I did when I flew 737-200's for Pace Airlines. Part 121 Supplemental for vacation and charter companies. Also, a little Conair work as well.

This is really no big deal and actually, I think, is good for everyone (provided the rates are decent).
 
skydog2 said:
No, it has already happened: Atlantic Coast Airlines aka Independence Air operated A319s.
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We're (it appears) really talking about two different animals.

Just because a company started out flying CRJ-200s, then branched off to do their own branded flying with larger airframes traditionally found at the historically known as Majors, doesn't mean that when they do end up flying larger aircraft under their own marketing process that they are somehow still operating as a "regional" under the marketing process of one or more mainline partners. Which, in such a situation, they would not be doing.

The moment a regional operates a mainline aircraft, due to mainline pilots not defending scope or shaddy management, while paying their labor "regional" wages, then there is a problem. Little glimmers of light are starting to shine on a certain operator - but here is to hoping the pilot group there recognizes they're not longer a "regional."
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
A-300F4-622R = Browntothebone?
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Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCOS2vOxuXE


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A-300,

I think that most people at the legacies now realize how important scope is. It effects everyone all the way up to captains in the most senior airplane as there would have been a couple pilots ahead of them that would have bid a smaller airplane for the QOL but it was no available because the thing is being flown by some other company.
 
737s? I don't think so. Maybe that new 717-rip-off ERJ from China that has a seating capacity similar to a 737, but I doubt we'd see 737s themselves. Hell United basically replaced their 737s with CRJs.
 
Anyone want to get me a :yeahthat: and I'll have 'em "gimme a ring" when Southernjets starts hiring again? :) Haaaa!

You know, "Mr. Taylor. Why do you recommend Mr. Blahbittyblah?"

"Aww! He stated some congruent to my views on an internet forum when people were thinking I was trolling."

"Excellent! When can he start?"

"EEEEEEEEEEEEEEmmediately."
 
Doug Taylor said:
Anyone want to get me a :yeahthat: and I'll have 'em "gimme a ring" when Southernjets starts hiring again? :) Haaaa!

You know, "Mr. Taylor. Why do you recommend Mr. Blahbittyblah?"

"Aww! He stated some congruent to my views on an internet forum when people were thinking I was trolling."

"Excellent! When can he start?"

"EEEEEEEEEEEEEEmmediately."
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:yeahthat:

I'll hold you to that Taylor!
 
Boris Badenov said:
Comparing UPS feed to regionals seems faintly ludicrous. You can have "biggest": A Shorts lumbering along getting passed by trucks. Or you can have "fastest": A metro zipping along at 260 with a few thousand pounds in the back. Neither is exactly an EMB-190.

And seriously, man up a little. Yes, A300 is intentionally irritating you with the manner in which he asks the questions. Because you make it so easy. It doesn't make the questions worthless...it does look like this is where we're headed. I don't think he's trying to complain it away, since as someone pointed out above he's got his gold plated rolex on layaway and can easily be just another moustache throwing everyone else to the wolves when it's contract time. No dog in the fight.

Has it occurred to you that maybe he's trying to get you to think a little about what part YOU (or I) play in this? Or, I dunno, maybe he's just another mean old man who doesn't respect The Uniform.
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If you look back to the 70's and 80's, you'd see that all the regionals flew were the exact same Shorts and Metros. The majors didn't feel threatened by the small airlines flying the small planes using their name.

Some how that evolved.

I think the point being made was the camel's nose under the tent.
 
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