Does a CFII checkride reset IFR currency timeline?

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SoCalFlyer2

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I received my IFR ticket in March of 2008. I got my CFII in May of 2008. Can I start the clock over again from that point (currency) or from the date of my initial IFR checkride?
 
SoCalFlyer2 said:
I received my IFR ticket in March of 2008. I got my CFII in May of 2008. Can I start the clock over again from that point (currency) or from the date of my initial IFR checkride?
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Did you log approaches, tracking to nav stations, and fly a hold or two?
 
Yep, did all that as specified in the PTS. I got my IR ticket 5/08 and I met currency requirements for following 6 months (end of september 9th). I met the requirement again in Feb of 2009 which covers me until March of 2009. Now from March of 2009 until September of this year I haven't logged enough approaches so now I need a safety pilot. If I start counting the 6 month periods from the CFII checkride in May of 2008 then I'm current until end of this month (Nov).
 
If it was also signed off as an IPC it would count, but otherwise, it would be from the last time you completed the 6 approaches (as you have said the hold and track was on the checkride), which I hope was sometime close to getting a CFII. I hope it at least took a few approaches to get signed off. This is at least the way I read the FAR.
 
SoCalFlyer2 said:
Yep, did all that as specified in the PTS. I got my IR ticket 5/08 and I met currency requirements for following 6 months (end of september 9th). I met the requirement again in Feb of 2009 which covers me until March of 2009. Now from March of 2009 until September of this year I haven't logged enough approaches so now I need a safety pilot. If I start counting the 6 month periods from the CFII checkride in May of 2008 then I'm current until end of this month (Nov).
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Its a rolling 6 month clock, not 6 month blocks. The Feb 09 currency lasted until Aug 09 or 6 months from whenever the first of your last six approaches was logged (assuming you also held and tracked). Now you are in safety pilot land
 
I agree with 29.92inHg.

"Resetting the clock" requires an IPC. Your CFII who did the training (or even the DPE who did the ride) might be willing to sign an IPC as well.

Other than that your currency counts the same way - if you want to fly today, look back 6 months and if you log 6 countable approaches and at least one hold (we'll assume that you somehow managed to intercept and track a course in the process :rolleyes: ) you're good to go.
 
I would also think you did many approaches, holds, and intrecepting and tracking during your training for the CFII, no? And it doesn't matter that the ones you did on a checkride were on a checkride. You still did the maneuvers in actual or simulated instrument conditions so those are loggable and they count towards your IFR currency (assuming you were current at the time).
 
A flight instructor certificate is not a pilot certificate. It does not count towards currency of a pilot certificate. But if you logged approaches, holds and tracking radials, then it's all the same.

I can remember the converstaion I had with a fellow flight instructor who was confused, and had to show him the letter from the FAA that shows it does not count for a flight review. If you want it to count, just have the examiner sign off on a flight review (most will, since it's usually much more in-depth).
 
If you want to count your CFII check ride as an IPC you have to make sure to do 1 more approach and the DPE will have to agree with it. The CFII only requires 2 approaches whereas the IPC requires 3.

Like most have said, its a rolling 6 month cloak with the 1 month grace period(the month we are currently in). As long as you have 6 approaches, holding and navigation within the previous 6 months you are fine. Once you have gone 6 months without approaches, you will need to do an IPC.
 
Where does it say anywhere that an IPC has to have 3 approaches ?

Don't get me wrong, I would be hard pressed to sign one off with less, but its still not a regulation. Just a "representative number of tasks from the Instrument PTS" This would be determined by the person giving the IPC
 
29.92inHg said:
Where does it say anywhere that an IPC has to have 3 approaches ?

Don't get me wrong, I would be hard pressed to sign one off with less, but its still not a regulation. Just a "representative number of tasks from the Instrument PTS" This would be determined by the person giving the IPC
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Not for a few years, I'm thinking about 10. There's a "PC" category in the instrument PTS that tells you the tasks that must be accomplished for an IPC. It includes all of the IAP task, which requires 2 nonprecision and 1 precision approach.

If your copy of 61.57 says "representative number of tasks from the Instrument PTS" you might want to get an update to the one that says, "an instrument proficiency check that consists of the areas of operation and instrument tasks required in the instrument rating practical test standards.."
 
Thanks for that. I need a slap around every once in a while. I'm glad I have it straight now. Sorry for my lapse in intelligence :o.

Trust in the fact that I do give very thorough IPC's. It seems that once someone has gone over a year without shooting an approach it takes a few flights for them to get it right anyways. I think my actual average for even a newly lapsed pilot would be 5-9 approaches anyways.
 
29.92inHg said:
Thanks for that. I need a slap around every once in a while. I'm glad I have it straight now. Sorry for my lapse in intelligence :o.
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That's not a lapse of intelligence. That's a missing piece of knowledge.

A "lapse in intelligence" is when you're confronted with the missing piece of knowledge and reject it. :D
 
WIFlyBoy said:
Like most have said, its a rolling 6 month cloak with the 1 month grace period(the month we are currently in). As long as you have 6 approaches, holding and navigation within the previous 6 months you are fine.
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What is the general consensis on the one month grace period. Is it six months to the day, to the beginning of the sixth month back, or the beginning of the sixth month back not including the current month? In other words, for a pilot to be current today would he have to look back to: (Today being November 19th)

a) May 19th (6 months back to the day),
b) May 1st (6 months back to the beginning of the month), or
c) April 1st (6 months back not including the current month)

WIFlyBoy said:
Once you have gone 6 months without approaches, you will need to do an IPC.
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I am sure you misspoke but it is six months after lapsing that an IPC is required, not 6 months without an approach. :)
 
subpilot said:
What is the general consensis on the one month grace period. Is it six months to the day, to the beginning of the sixth month back, or the beginning of the sixth month back not including the current month?
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Why do you want a consensus? Why not read the regulation and see what it says?

It's sort of like asking for a consensus on whether 2+2=4. Opinions don't really count.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Why do you want a consensus? Why not read the regulation and see what it says?

It's sort of like asking for a consensus on whether 2+2=4. Opinions don't really count.
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correct and point taken. I used a poor word choice.

(1) Use of an airplane, powered-lift, helicopter, or airship for maintaining instrument experience. Within the 6 calendar months preceding the month of the flight, that person performed and logged at least the following tasks and iterations in an airplane, powered-lift, helicopter, or airship, as appropriate, for the instrument rating privileges to be maintained in actual weather conditions, or under simulated conditions using a view-limiting device that involves having performed the following—
(i) Six instrument approaches.
(ii) Holding procedures and tasks.
(iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigational electronic systems.
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I already had my interpretation from reading the regs. I just wanted to see what answers other people posted. I have heard all three opinions from other flight instructors. I know the answer is C since the reg says "Within the 6 calendar months preceding the month of the flight."

Just trying to probe the forum here... i.e. Concensus.
 
subpilot said:
correct and point taken. I used a poor word choice.



I already had my interpretation from reading the regs. I just wanted to see what answers other people posted. I have heard all three opinions from other flight instructors. I know the answer is C since the reg says "Within the 6 calendar months preceding the month of the flight."

Just trying to probe the forum here... i.e. Concensus.
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Ah, so you're taking a poll to find out who doesn't know the rule. That's not very nice. ;)
 
The reg states "within the 6 calendar months PRECEDING the month of the flight"

Also its calendar months, you cant take things back to the day. Otherwise all the months of the year would have to have the same amount of days.

Technically you could almost get 7 months but not quite. If the month you are in now has 31 days and its the 30th, you have all of those 30 days + the preceding 6 months to make sure you have your 6 approachs, holding, navigation.

I spoke to an individual i know at the FSDO in Portland, ME and he told me you get the 6 months prior to the month you are in + the month you are currently in.
 
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