ATP/type ratings

MikeD

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Question for anyone knowledgable of Rotorcraft type ratings. Now, I understand that under 14 CFR 61.31 that a type rating is required for Large Aircraft (except LTA), turbojet powered airplanes, and other aircraft specified by the Administrator. Question I have is why there is one listing of helicopter type designations for the pilot certificate, then there is a separate listing categorized as "The following applies to helicopters weighing 12,500 pounds or less on which type ratings are issued to holder of airline transport pilot certificates only." These helos in the second list are, in some cases, far under 12,500 and not all are even turbine (though 61.31 implies that that only applies to airplanes). So why the separate listing, and why do they even exist as a type rating in the sense of appearing on an ATP certificate? We wouldn't do the same for a fixed-wing under 12,500 and non-turbine (airplane). There's nothing applicable in 14 CFR 61.151-167 either that I found.

Here is an excerpt of helicopter type designations; these helos obviously exceeding 12,500 as heavy helos:

Manufacturer Type Designation
Bell, USA, Bell 214ST: BH-14ST

Boeing Vertol, USA 107-11, H-46: BV-107

114, Ch-47A, B, and C series: BV-114

BV-234: BV-234

Sikorsky, USA H-37 Series: SK-56

S-58 Series, H-34 Series, S-58, S-58T: SK-58

S-61 Series, H-3 Series: SK-61
H-3 Series

S-64 Series, CH-54A/B: SK-64

HH-53, CH-53A Sikorsky: SK-65

Now here is a partial listing of the aforementioned helicopter type designations that are under 12,500, but these type ratings are issed to ATP holders only. Why is that? Why do they exist as type ratings?

Mnufacturer Type Designation
Bell 47, H-13 series: BH-47

204-B, UHI-B, -D, H205A: BH-204

206A, 206B: BH-206

212/412 Series: BH-212

214 Series (Except ST): BH-214

222 Series: BH-222

Hiller UH-12: HH-12

Enstrom F-28: EN-28

Hughes 269A, 300 series: HU-269

Hughes 500, 369 series: HU-369

BO-105A: BO-105

BK-117, A1: BK-117

......and many others
 
My understanding (I'll have to check the reference), is that they are no longer issuing type ratings for helicopters. I still have one for an SK-70. I guess once you have it they don't take it away.
 
My understanding (I'll have to check the reference), is that they are no longer issuing type ratings for helicopters. I still have one for an SK-70. I guess once you have it they don't take it away.

Interesting. Was there ever a reason for the less-than 12,500 ones listed as "ATP only"? No type rating is interesting since it'd almost imply that someone training in an R-22, could legitimately hop into a CH-54 and fly it.
 
Interesting. Was there ever a reason for the less-than 12,500 ones listed as "ATP only"? No type rating is interesting since it'd almost imply that someone training in an R-22, could legitimately hop into a CH-54 and fly it.

Yeah, sounds silly... but unless there is specific training indicated (such as the R-22), I think this is legal. The change happened back in the early 1990s- I think they went from "aircraft above 12,500" to "airplanes above 12,500". I'll have to dig through my FAR history and see.
 
You'd probably be better off asking the Administrator than anyone on teh interwebs to find that information.

-mini

You might be right on this one. Am just afraid I'll have to ask a minimum of 4 different FSDOs, just so I can average out the answers to something that might be somewhat correct. :)
 
You might be right on this one. Am just afraid I'll have to ask a minimum of 4 different FSDOs, just so I can average out the answers to something that might be somewhat correct. :)
Only four? That seems highly optimistic! That's probably going to get you 6 different answers.

-mini
 
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