KVNC
Florida Man
Haha, yea I suppose. I would take a foreigner on the radio over Foghorn Leghorn too.
The unicom police
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Haha, yea I suppose. I would take a foreigner on the radio over Foghorn Leghorn too.
NC_BE300
Well-Known Member
LOL. I would have laughed hard if i was a witness to that onair.
Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
It goes both way. I have heard ATC be quite unprofessional to pilots. I was flying out of BWI and was on clearance when I heard clearance say:
"I can't believe some one just filed direct out of here. I don't have time to fix that... Aircraft XXXX go refile with an appropriate route."
Completely out of line....
I also remember one night in IAD when a new ground controller was being trained during a push. She was getting behind and issued a few odd taxing routes but nothing unsafe. As aircraft started to stackup at the spots the training controller took over an began issueing taxing clearances like a machine gun and got everything moving again. Then of course some d.bag make the remark of "about time we got someone that knew what they were doing." Ground responds politely reminds everyone they were new once too. Then of course the d.bag can't let it go and responds, "I don't make mistakes"... I wish they would have figured who it was and sent them to the penalty box.
"I can't believe some one just filed direct out of here. I don't have time to fix that... Aircraft XXXX go refile with an appropriate route."
Completely out of line....
I also remember one night in IAD when a new ground controller was being trained during a push. She was getting behind and issued a few odd taxing routes but nothing unsafe. As aircraft started to stackup at the spots the training controller took over an began issueing taxing clearances like a machine gun and got everything moving again. Then of course some d.bag make the remark of "about time we got someone that knew what they were doing." Ground responds politely reminds everyone they were new once too. Then of course the d.bag can't let it go and responds, "I don't make mistakes"... I wish they would have figured who it was and sent them to the penalty box.
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
Apparently I'm not doing a good job of communicating how little time I had been sitting there before this guy decided to call me out on the radio. I was there at most 4-minutes, so he couldn't have been behind me anymore than two or three.
Oh well - I'd do it again under the circumstances. Don't need your approval or anyone else's
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
I respect your opinion, but I just do things a bit differently. If anything, I'm guilty of not telling the story very accurately, and for that I apologize. Not going to apologize for my reaction to the guy, though. Sorry. Guess you just had to be there. Of course I'm also the same guy who knocked one of his grad school professors to the ground for calling me an idiot in front of my students - so maybe it's just a cultural difference.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
So naturally I open the window, give the one fingered salute, and call ground...
"St. Pete Ground - Cessna 52633 has a stuck parking break - will need a short delay to resolve it".
Murdoughnut never passes up a chance to put a d-bag in his place
Wow. Just wow, man. 3 or 4 minutes to some people is the difference between an on time departure or filling out a delay report that gets noticed in the 9 o'clock phone call the next morning with the Mother Company.
Fly or get out of the way.
Zero1Niner
Well-Known Member
Man, I would stop digging if I were you. Nothing to be proud of being a hot-head that cant control himself...especially in an airplane. Professionalism is what you really need to be demonstrating, not some macho tough guy crap.
And its not a cultural difference. Thats just a lame excuse for lack of self control. I was born and raised in a rough city neighborhood, but I still choose to conduct myself like a professional, especially in the cockpit.
Certainly no disrespect intended, but you should really think about this a little more carefully. There are enough problems in aviation caused by macho, arrogant behavior. It reflects poorly on us all. Even if the guy made a comment seconds after you taxied up, you are still in the wrong for your actions no matter what. Sorry, but there is no justification for this type of behavior whatsoever. Actually you were the inconsiderate one in this situation.
It takes the bigger man to just let things like this roll. We have a responsibility to each other to demonstrate at least a minimum level of professionalism. Dont be 'that' guy. No one really likes 'that' guy that needs to prove himself all of the time.
HeyEng
Well-Known Member
Actually, to be fair, the military guys are just as guilty at making bad calls as the 121 guys are. The "fishfinder" really annoys the hell out of me though.
On a side note, I am loving the "you're a d-bag!"...."no I'm not!"..."yes you are!" conversation. HA!!!! :laff:
AirmetTango
Well-Known Member
So naturally I open the window, give the one fingered salute, and call ground...
"St. Pete Ground - Cessna 52633 has a stuck parking break - will need a short delay to resolve it".
Murdoughnut never passes up a chance to put a d-bag in his place
Not to mention lying about a mechanical problem to ATC...quite the professional.
Speaking as the husband of a grad school professor - Wow. Just wow. If it actually happened the way you say (which I doubt), it looks like you proved the professor was accurate.
:yeahthat: Very well said. Murdoughnut, if you are looking for a career in aviation (or any other professional career for that matter), you seriously need to print out Zero1Niner's post and re-read it once in awhile.
KSCessnaDriver
Well-Known Member
I really like this situation, at an airport in which the tower has been open a total of 5 days. The guys in the tower still didn't have their act together, couple with a few foreign students, and the weekend warriors out doing battle, it was really fun today.
Honestly, it would have been easier to run uncontrolled, but the tower insisted on doing things his way.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
:yup: What a ko-inky-dink, the SJC thing I mentioned in that post happened on the same day as your post. When I pulled into the lot at the FBO they said he had a heart attack and was rushed to the hospital. On the way down to SJC the very bored tower at Moffet Field was said "Did you hear Michael Jackson died by the way?". Can't say it choked me up a whole lot.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Why is it always the Bonanza guy/gal? We just had a Bonanza pilot calling ground on tower frequency. Arlington Ground, Bonanza November 245 MICHAEL Charlie.:banghead: The tower manager got on and chewed her out, it was comical. "First of all, its Mike, not Michael, secondly, you are on the wrong frequency. Contact ground on 121.87" Then she does the SAME THING again after acknowledging his chew out.
Then, 2 hours later, another Bonanza pilot coming from the west calls. "Arlington TRAFFIC, Bonanza 123HH, 10 miles to the East, full stop." "Bonanza 123HH, enter the left downwind for 16." "Ughhhhh..... left downwind?" "Bonanza 123HH, you are coming from the east, right?" "Ughhhhhh....yes" "That would be a left downwind for 16." "Ughhhhhh....I'm sorry, I'm 10 miles to the west" :banghead:
captainphil
Well-Known Member
Keebler elf traffic, uhhhh, cessna 84 dingo baby is coming in to land , I m gunna be making zig zags to find my best entry to left final, I will be cutting infront of that big shiny metal thing on final with four shiny metal hair dryers on the wings.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
The only time I've gotten back on someone at an uncontrolled field wasn't even me, it was my CFI when we were doing no flaps at Wickenburg (E25)
Winds favored 23, so that's what we're calling the whole 30 minutes we'd been there. Cledus calls up "Wickenburg traffic, Cessna Taildragger xxxtw is 10 miles to the Northeast inbound runway 23." I've regretted doing training in a Cirrus since, but on this day I was glad I had TCAS, as we saw a target pop up right about 8 miles to the Southwest lined up for 5. We ask the guy to confirm his position and he states he's still to the Northeast. We verify for him we're final for 23. While on upwind, sure enough, we have to turn crosswind early because he's totally backwords and that TCAS target is indeed Cledus out smashing bugs. My CFI got pretty heated on the radio with the guy.
Winds favored 23, so that's what we're calling the whole 30 minutes we'd been there. Cledus calls up "Wickenburg traffic, Cessna Taildragger xxxtw is 10 miles to the Northeast inbound runway 23." I've regretted doing training in a Cirrus since, but on this day I was glad I had TCAS, as we saw a target pop up right about 8 miles to the Southwest lined up for 5. We ask the guy to confirm his position and he states he's still to the Northeast. We verify for him we're final for 23. While on upwind, sure enough, we have to turn crosswind early because he's totally backwords and that TCAS target is indeed Cledus out smashing bugs. My CFI got pretty heated on the radio with the guy.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I have corrected people on runway decisions before over CTAF. They Taxi to 25 when the wind is 070 @ 8 to 10 knots (asos) with the wind sock agreeing. Unicom for some reason told them winds Calm. Calm wind runway is 25. This is just a case of people not being able to make a decision for themselves.
Fly_Unity
Well-Known Member
Whys that? Just curious.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
You shouldn't. It's an uncontrolled airport; there is no right or wrong runway. An 8-10 knot tail wind is within limitations for most aircraft. They may be comfortable with it or have reasons for doing so. Unless it is blatantly obvious that there is an imminent danger, you should just let it go. And even then, all you can do is politely point out that the windsock indicates a downwind takeoff.
XLR99
Well-Known Member
I get tired of those who believe that CTAF is an acronym for "my personal chatline". The left final, slow nervous talkers, and other slips are one thing, people will make mistakes, but gabbing away clogging freq with BS is something best done online, not in the air (or air to ground).