Don't trust the ATO

An education is what you make out if it. If you think your degree is useless, then it will be.

Getting a college degree is not just about getting a better job. It's about proving that you have the ability to learn, and work to deadlines and all that other jazz.

I am not saying that people who haven't gone to school can't do those things, but a degree is proof they can(assuming you did well in college).

I have a CTI degree.

In the 10 months between graduation and OKC (I GO NEXT WEEK!) I got a job in Airport Operations (Albeit in a big market. I understand it would be tough if you are not willing to move). I loved the job and no doubt will try to return to Airport Ops if ATC falls through.

My point is this, your education is what you make out it. If you go to class and think "this class is useless, I will never use any of these things" then you are right, you wont ever use them.

I for one, love school. I plan on getting a few more degrees through out my career as a controller just because I enjoy learning for the sake of learning.

I also understand that not everyone has the means to go and get a degree. This is unfortunate, especially if that individual is motivated and wants to learn. But I think you can get just as good an education from some Podunk community college as you can from Harvard if you want it enough.

This is not a criticism of all you guys. You all seem to have degrees and have proven yourself. I have no doubt you will all make good controllers. I just wanted to express the fact that I have no regrets that I got a degree, even if it's a CTI degree.
 
I have a BS in Management Information Systems. I have a good job with one of the largest medical device companies in the world. I'm a business analyst so I build reports and analyze data. At the end of the day, it just isn't challenging enough for me. Unfortunately, I don't have the technical experience to really get into a more techinical job in relation to IT, so after being told that I should look into ATC, and doing research on it, here I am. 15 months later...waiting on a class date. I also hope to get some flight lessons down the road once I get checked out (crossing my fingers that I make it that far), as that has always been something that I was interested in, but I just didn't have the money.

As far as the degree is concerned. It is definitely something that companies look for because it shows that you are trainable, but just because you have a degree doesn't mean you can get a job. It still requires a combination of personality, experience, and who you know.
 
I work with living proof that you can do well in college, earn a Masters Degree from Johns Hopkins AND still be a complete moron.

I'd be surprised if this guy makes it to December working with us. He'll be the second 'well educated' person to get the axe this year. The first guy was pretty intelligent but our management couldn't stand his 'know-it-all' attitude.
 
ATCtower said:
Hell, for that matter, how much responsibility does a clergyman have? No one's life hangs in the balance of every decision of some religious dude.
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Keep knocking my old job and I'll tell God to throw a lightning bolt at you.
 
TBarry253 said:
I work with living proof that you can do well in college, earn a Masters Degree from Johns Hopkins AND still be a complete moron.

I'd be surprised if this guy makes it to December working with us. He'll be the second 'well educated' person to get the axe this year. The first guy was pretty intelligent but our management couldn't stand his 'know-it-all' attitude.
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Where I work, we've always determined that the more letters that follow a person's name, the dumber they are.
 
TBarry253 said:
I work with living proof that you can do well in college, earn a Masters Degree from Johns Hopkins AND still be a complete moron.

I'd be surprised if this guy makes it to December working with us. He'll be the second 'well educated' person to get the axe this year. The first guy was pretty intelligent but our management couldn't stand his 'know-it-all' attitude.
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Don't get me wrong, college was a great experience and I am glad I went, however in today's economy, the job market is saturated with college grads with little experience, it is also saturated with formerly employed, but now unemployed people in the same field. If that formerly employed person is willing to work an entry level job that should go to a recent college grad with no experience, guess who gets hired? The guy with the experience.

That is why my degree is worthless, high supply, low demand. It is not because I didn't learn anything in college.
 
greg1016 said:
BA in Communications here. Poli Sci minor that was only a minor because I would have had to take an additional 30 trivial credits to get a BA and BS.

My fall-back plan is law school, because in this economy, that BA is basically worthless. In fact, I think it hurts me, when the only hiring going on around here is in retail and they look at my resume and think this guy is gonna quit as soon as he can find something better anyway so they don't hire me.
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:::::Nothing to do with the thread at hand, but thought I'd do a little resume public service announcement:::::

Anyone with a college degree should know that if there is something on your resume that hurts you in the application process, it's your OWN fault! You get to decide what goes in your resume, so long as it's all true. You can leave things out that YOU decide aren't pertinent to the type of work involved. Any resume you send out should be specifically tailored to the type of position you are apply for. 10 different jobs? That's 10 different resumes! And yes, you'd be correct in assuming that for almost all retail work listing a BA isn't going to get you many brownie points since there is a real good chance the person reviewing it doesn't even have one. :bandit:
 
hudson26 said:
:::::Nothing to do with the thread at hand, but thought I'd do a little resume public service announcement:::::

Anyone with a college degree should know that if there is something on your resume that hurts you in the application process, it's your OWN fault! You get to decide what goes in your resume, so long as it's all true. You can leave things out that YOU decide aren't pertinent to the type of work involved. Any resume you send out should be specifically tailored to the type of position you are apply for. 10 different jobs? That's 10 different resumes! And yes, you'd be correct in assuming that for almost all retail work listing a BA isn't going to get you many brownie points since there is a real good chance the person reviewing it doesn't even have one. :bandit:
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This was Random....

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OK ;-) Time for the Random Borat Quote of the Day...

America national sport is called baseballs. It very similar to our sport, shurik, where we take dogs, shoot them in a field and then have a party.:rotfl:http://smacie.com/randomizer/borat.html
 
greg1016 said:
Don't get me wrong, college was a great experience and I am glad I went, however in today's economy, the job market is saturated with college grads with little experience, it is also saturated with formerly employed, but now unemployed people in the same field. If that formerly employed person is willing to work an entry level job that should go to a recent college grad with no experience, guess who gets hired? The guy with the experience.

That is why my degree is worthless, high supply, low demand. It is not because I didn't learn anything in college.
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:yeahthat:

I learned a lot in college. Mostly things like time management and diplomacy and of coure interesting things about my field. But there are too many people out there looking for jobs and employers have the choice applicants pounding down their doors. Especially in my field where everyone and their brother wants to become CSI cause of all the shows on tv. Oh well.

Oh and Jerms, I'm not the one going ATC, my husband is. But he's not a techy either, he's the guy other posters are complaining about, no college and just getting in on work history. Granted, it's not McDonalds. Haha. I get to use my degree to be a stay at home mom to 3 kids! Woot woot! I did apply for PubNat 1, but only scored a Q on the ATSAT (84.6). :(
 
Zeppelinpilot said:
An education is what you make out if it. If you think your degree is useless, then it will be.

Getting a college degree is not just about getting a better job. It's about proving that you have the ability to learn, and work to deadlines and all that other jazz.
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If you feel like you got something out of college, good for you. However the traits that you mentioned are things that I had before I went to college. Nothing was given to me in this world, I've always had to be on my . If people have to go to college to learn time management, then their parents parenting skills should be in question and their pre college education wasn't sufficent. Being on time and completing tasks in a timely manner is not a skill. It's just a very good habit. IMO? college is a scam :)
 
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In college I learned how to drink beer in more ways than I care to remember. I also managed to write complex applications for a few non-profit organizations in my area (while drinking beer).
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I'm amazed at how the topics in this thread shift over the course of time.

I have a Bachelor of Science in IT with a minor in Computer Programming. If you have any ideas for computer software applications, shoot me a PM! :D
 
greg1016 said:
Don't get me wrong, college was a great experience and I am glad I went, however in today's economy, the job market is saturated with college grads with little experience, it is also saturated with formerly employed, but now unemployed people in the same field. If that formerly employed person is willing to work an entry level job that should go to a recent college grad with no experience, guess who gets hired? The guy with the experience.

That is why my degree is worthless, high supply, low demand. It is not because I didn't learn anything in college.
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Ok this question is off topic and directed toward you and Swinte00 and anyone else who might know.

now that the atsat is done and good and i wait on the geoprefs. but i see your signature says you interviewed and then got a pepc invite....
whats that about?? you interviewed with who? for what?? did you do both traditional route and referral list.
and if you dont get on the referral list is that it you just try for another pubnat or if you arent on the referral list you automatically go traditional route.

i read the sticky by swinte but uuuuuuhhhhhh maybe im missing something
 
srm1734 said:
Ok this question is off topic and directed toward you and Swinte00 and anyone else who might know.

now that the atsat is done and good and i wait on the geoprefs. but i see your signature says you interviewed and then got a pepc invite....
whats that about?? you interviewed with who? for what?? did you do both traditional route and referral list.
and if you dont get on the referral list is that it you just try for another pubnat or if you arent on the referral list you automatically go traditional route.

i read the sticky by swinte but uuuuuuhhhhhh maybe im missing something
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The interview is at the PEPC. The way it worked for 5/6 was...if you were picked up by a facility then you got a PEPC invite, but since it's first respond first served with emails, not everyone got to go to the PEPC. So those people had to go the traditional route. Either way, the interview is AFTER the referral list and AFTER you are picked up by a facility.

Also, ASAP will tell you whether or not you are on the referral list. It will either say "your app is being considered" or "try again next time". If it doesn't say you are being considered, that's the end of your road with the FAA until the next app. If that's the case, call and find out why. My husbands first app had the wrong employment history which was why he wasn't on the referral list for PubNat1.

Good luck.
 
by the time I got selected, the chicago PEPC was full, so I started the traditional process where you interview at a facility, and do all your other processing separately. After my interview but before I scheduled a physical, background check, etc, I was told another PEPC in Atlanta was scheduled and was given the choice to go there, which I took. In hindsight, I probably should have just continued the traditional route.
 
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