RAH E190 Rates

Doug Taylor said:
On the last question, geez I guess that's the worst kept secret on the internet, eh? :)
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I was actually referring to the SouthurnJetsInternashanal ALPA board. If you post incognito on another forum the secret may be better kept than you think.

Sometime in Vegas we are going to have to have a discussion about ways to err... motivate MEC leadership (local and national). Being an elected leader is all well and good, but most of us don't have the time to do it and there ARE a limited number of positions. Trying to get MY voice heard by those that actually can make policy has been frustrating to no end.
 
FLflyer said:
Absolutely disgusting. And this guy Bedford pretends to be a religious person? What a freaking joke. I make more as an XJT FO flying a 50-seater than these pay rates flying an E190!!! Grow some balls over there.
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No Doubt. I couldn't stand BB when I worked there. He is all talk when it comes to he relgious values. He says the right things then steps on his employees back.

RAH should get nothing less that B6's rates for the 190. What RAH is doing doesn't suprise me, it is ther SOP and Teamsters doesn't do a whole lot for their pilot group, IMO...
 
Trip7 said:
Please. You don't even know me and you come out blasting my values? I don't need some 15 year old boy lecturing me about values. There was a side debate about RJ courses. And I was making a point that there are other ways to prove you are a capable and trainable candidate than RJ courses. Taking stuff out of context and calling me an ass is not the values of an Eagle Scout as you so "eloquently" put it. You should be ashamed. Completely ashamed.

Also, Loyalty, that's something you should be familiar with. If someone is on a public forum dragging your friend's name in the mud falsely it would be the LOYAL(follow me here?) thing to do to speak up. So it would be smart of you to get off you high horse there in " Bang'er and Bah Habah" and get your facts straight before attacking someone's values.



Completely agree. Nothing wrong with posting a picture. Apparently Oldtimepilot has appointed himself JC judge of character and value. He needs to find better use of his time up there in "Bang'er and Bah Habah"
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You are defensive and you should check your facts before blasting off.

A PM conversation between OTP and yourself would absolutely make more sense than what you are doing here, Marcus. I think you'll find a quick JC poll would reveal that not only is OTP wildly more intelligent about this industry AND he's never worked it as a pilot but that he is also a good judge of character.

Dial it down, or something.

Edit: with all that said, you've got a lot of knowledge on this subject with a different viewpoint and it is interesting to see your side of it. I hope we can all be friends here.
 
KLB said:
I'm with you Doug. Honest I am. I just can't sit back and let someone of these guys drag my friends name through the mud, just because they are jealous that he got hired at a low time and they weren't invited to an interview.

Other than that, I'd like to say .....freight rules and regionals drool. :D


I'm done.
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And I cant stand to you see, who has yet to respond via PM, tell me about something you had no concept of and were not there for. Things worked out for the best anyways.... And if you want feel free to send a PM. But I didnt think you would, since much like here you know little to none of the facts between two people. Again feel free to take me to a PM in which is where I tried to take it to far before now... Yet you lack a response much like the other, "Man."
 
meyers9163 said:
And I cant stand to you see, who has yet to respond via PM, tell me about something you had no concept of and were not there for. Things worked out for the best anyways.... And if you want feel free to send a PM. But I didnt think you would, since much like here you know little to none of the facts between two people. Again feel free to take me to a PM in which is where I tried to take it to far before now... Yet you lack a response much like the other, "Man."
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Uh...I feel no need to respond to your PM. You seem to have your mind made up about the person in question. There is no need to go round and round with you. It seems that you dislike RAH for not hiring you and you have a personal issue with them. When I had sub 1000hrs, I wanted to fly for Air Cargo Carries badly. I sent my resume just about every way possible short of using a carrier pigeon. Although I had more time than some of my friends who applied there and were invited, I was never called. The thing they had over me was a few letters of recommendation and meeting them at an event. I have nothing personal against Air Cargo Carriers though. As a matter of fact, I'm very happy things turned out the way that they did.

I've known the person in question since 2001. We've had classes together. We have some of the same friends in and out of aviation. I've shared beers with this person. I know nothing about you. All I see is a screen name, avatar, and a lot of dislike for RAH. So of course I'm going to believe the person I talk to often over someone I don't know. Honestly, I don't even know what your arguement is about. He networked and got the job. I don't see anything wrong with that. The ole saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game" comes to mind.

I apologize if you are disappointed that I didn't react to your PM, but I don't get into personal attack debates. I'll debate the issue, but I don't do the whole personal attack deal.
 
Anyone else think the "we'll discuss it in PM" has become the modern-day internet equivalent of "afterschool, chump?" :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Anyone else think the "we'll discuss it in PM" has become the modern-day internet equivalent of "afterschool, chump?" :)
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Oh you won't come to PM's!!1??? You must be scared. "draws a line in the sand" I bet you won't cross this line! You must be chicken!:D
 
Doug Taylor said:
Anyone else think the "we'll discuss it in PM" has become the modern-day internet equivalent of "afterschool, chump?" :)
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Orange Anchor and I had a PM session that came to a conclusion after about the 3rd exchange, then we got back in the thread with some good information and some conclusions. Seemed like a better way to go.

I think the PM is a good way to get things out without people outside the conversation jumping all over you in a thread.

Of course, we could just make everyone ask civil, then we'd need something besides the internet. Would you join a fight club with me Doug? I'd like to take on Firebird (Charlie) just to see if I could get inside his reach.
 
BobDDuck said:
I was actually referring to the SouthurnJetsInternashanal ALPA board. If you post incognito on another forum the secret may be better kept than you think.
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Ahh! Yeah, let's just say that I'm not a frightened "yes" voter that turns around and complains about it a few months later. We've got to stand up for ourselves one of these days.

Sometime in Vegas we are going to have to have a discussion about ways to err... motivate MEC leadership (local and national). Being an elected leader is all well and good, but most of us don't have the time to do it and there ARE a limited number of positions. Trying to get MY voice heard by those that actually can make policy has been frustrating to no end.
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Viva la revolución. It's going to get harder if "someone" goes to national. He's already "massaging" some of you guys already. And if he brings the rest of the "staff", totally hosed. Spread the word.
 
BobDDuck said:
The issue is that, a large part of their pilot group (just like a large part of most other pilot groups, Majors included) is happy to just fly their (big shiny) plane and doesn't give a #### about the rest of the industry.
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You're a smart guy, but where do you get your facts to draw such a conclusion that a large part of our group is just "happy to fly the big shiney jet".

You're talking about maturity and proper debates on here, than you just completely take any credibility away from your argument with such a blanket statement. I couldn't tell you if half or more than half of this pilot group are happy or unhappy with the 190....and I work here. We have 2500+ pilots, pre-merger. Nobody can make a determination like that.

This is exactly why I have strayed away from this message boards for so long...and will likely continue to stray away.
 
Just from the sidelines here, but when you five the reason why you're not on message boards as often as
you used to be USING a message board, at least from
a webmasters perspective, it's a little comical.

Like using a billboard to profess your disdain of roadside billboards and how you'll never rent one again!! :)
 
Airdale said:
You're a smart guy, but where do you get your facts to draw such a conclusion that a large part of our group is just "happy to fly the big shiney jet".

You're talking about maturity and proper debates on here, than you just completely take any credibility away from your argument with such a blanket statement. I couldn't tell you if half or more than half of this pilot group are happy or unhappy with the 190....and I work here. We have 2500+ pilots, pre-merger. Nobody can make a determination like that.

This is exactly why I have strayed away from this message boards for so long...and will likely continue to stray away.
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If look at my post in context of this thread instead of making a reactionary statement and feeling like I am personally assaulting your pilot group you'd have seen that I was discussing this industry as a whole and not just your group. I used yours as an example because that's who we were talking about. The problem is just as bad everywhere. 9E voted down there TA by a VERY small amount. There were plenty of people there who were happy to just go fly their jet and not be at all concerned with the rest of the industry.

I understand why you took offense as your posts in the past (before your furlough so I don't know if you still feel this way) were pretty clear in the fact that you were going to look out for yourself and not worry so much about the industry as a whole. Fair enough. You are most certainly allowed to, but by doing that you also allow others to comment on the fact that your actions may be screwing over the industry as a whole.

This isn't about shiny jets, although I did word it that way. It's about people that are in this as a job and not as a career. Or have been doing it for so long that they are just concerned about padding their 401K enough so they can get out and don't really care about the industry they leave behind.

Again, I'm not pointing my finger at the Republic pilot group any more than the Delta MEC for giving away MORE scope or the 48% of 9E guys who voted yes on their TA or the 40 something percent of guys on my property that voted yes on taking -900s for our current pay rate.

In every one of those cases those guys looked at what was good for them in the immediate short term and didn't give a damn about long term outcomes or consequences or how it might effect other people on other properties. To me, that's frustrating as hell, but, as I said, at this point, without a National Union that has any plan at making things better (other than the laughable "taking it (in the) back" campaign) I really don't see things improving.
 
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