RAH E190 Rates

You got a Chick-Fil-A in your terminal? Dang man, I should have checked your airline's box when I graduated from the academy. All we have is BK!

But I was pimpin' tha trio when you were pimpin' tha DEUCE so hug 'em, buddy and get some better pay rates! Not that I actually negotiated my own payrates, or even a voting member when the vote went down, but buh buh buh BOO-YOW!

Forget mainline, I'm staying right here at ACA!
 
You got a Chick-Fil-A in your terminal? Dang man, I should have checked your airline's box when I graduated from the academy. All we have is BK!

But I was pimpin' tha trio when you were pimpin' tha DEUCE so hug 'em, buddy and get some better pay rates! Not that I actually negotiated my own payrates, or even a voting member when the vote went down, but buh buh buh BOO-YOW!

Forget mainline, I'm staying right here at ACA!

Only BK? Maybe you need to fire your MEC.......they're obviously not doing a darn thing for you!

Yeah, screw mainline! All they're doing is being "the man" and keeping us down with scope and pulling up the ladder behind them.......my RJDC membership is up to date!"

Hey.....wait a second? Why am I now flying 100 seat planes for CFI rates? Thats no matter....I'm upgrading so fast here at Mesa, I'll be a check pilot at my 2 year anniversary. JO even told me so personally.
 
Showing the combatants how velveeta this thread looks to their fellow professional pilots.
 
Showing the combatants how velveeta this thread looks to their fellow professional pilots.

Yup. This thread is a spiraling soup sandwich. Heck, the airline forum as a whole here on JC has the worst amount of complaining, griping, pissed-off-ness, personal attacking, etc, than anywhere else here.

Makes one wonder if anyone is truly happy with what they do as an airline pilot.

Sure, things are screwed up everywhere. But for a collective group of people who constantly harp about "unity!!" between airline pilot "brothers". The hate and discontent from one pilot group towards another.....to the extent of some even wishing ill-will for another pilot group in order to insure theirs goes forward; man, what hypocrisy. Airline pilots truly seem to be their own worst enemy. Not management.....but pilots themselves.

Here's something that I figured out a while ago. Now this is only an example for me and may or may not work for someone else: Back when I was active duty USAF, I started to really figure out just how full of crap the AF was, as my career progressed. When I'd have "pilot meetings" that had nothing to do with flying or tactics or combat; but instead focused on not getting speeding tickets on base, on stupid training programs like "trafficking in persons" or "don't ask, don't tell....and you", on making sure haircuts were within regs, etc. When I'd see countless idiots who were absolutely worthless at flying, but moved up the rank structure anyway; or otherwise eff-up/move up. When I saw that we as a nation.....and by extension, our military; and further, our AF.....weren't serious about truly fighting the wars we'd sent our troops to fight...that we were simply biding time and dragging things on for who knows what reason. When I saw all these things, I realized that I was working my ass off for an organization that wasn't worth it. I was pissed off over everything I was seeing, and any attempt to make a difference only made me more of an outside heretic in the eyes of "the church of the AF".

So I decided to be happy. I gave them the finger and transferred to the AF Reserve as a part timer, and changed my main employment to where I work now. Is there BS where I work now? Sure there is. But you know what changed? Now I deal with BS on MY terms, more or less; 8 hrs a day and no more, with full benefits. I still fly and do an important gig.....heck, to me securing the border 60 miles south of TUS is FAR more important than some border I could give two crap's about 6500 miles across the globe. Status isn't important....there's no mad dash for upgrades, no everyone trying to walk over everyone else, generally speaking. Just guys doing a job and enjoying it.....coming to work and going home. No SJS here. No more having to be forced to deal with BS on someone elses's complete terms for 14+ hrs a day, sometimes 6 days a week (7 days a week if deployed). Even the Reserve duty is part-time with little BS to have to deal with. And I find myself much happier. Not losing hair, losing sleep, typing angrily on an aviation website, in the airline section, arguing to the death everything....over something I voluntarily placed myself into.....makes "embrace the suck" take on a whole new meaning.

It's something that worked for me. Who knows, at some point, it might be worth it to someone else.....take the negativity I described, and fill in your own blanks. Your mileage may vary.

But something has to be done about this particular part of the forum, and the truly negative vibe that really seems to permeate within it. Sure, it can come from factors many are having to deal with. But taking it out on each other (the jumpseat denial thread a prime example of what NOT to do as pilots....talk about self-imposed whipsawing) isn't going to change things for the better.

Carry on.
 
Leave it to MikeD & Doug to brighten up my day w/ totally ridiculousness. Love it.

Most of the thread, including the non-sequitur tirades toward the end, is ridiculous.

Like "Lord of the Flies" ridiculous.

You guys still read "Lord of the Flies" in school these days, don't ya? :) Or is it all "Dinosaurs and Man Roamed The Earth Together" these days?
 
You guys still read "Lord of the Flies" in school these days, don't ya? :) Or is it all "Dinosaurs and Man Roamed The Earth Together" these days?

Hey, I wouldn't make cracks about age. I think your old enough to be my Dad Ole' Man.
 
That was funny. Thanks for a good laugh, Doug and Mike. It is a good way to lower your blood pressure. :)

just honest question, is RAH E190 published yet? :confused: I would like to see some official reports.
 
That was funny. Thanks for a good laugh, Doug and Mike. It is a good way to lower your blood pressure. :)

just honest question, is RAH E190 published yet? :confused: I would like to see some official reports.

No, the company thinks its a 99 seat airplane so its currently the same rate as the 175. We are grieving it and thats where we stand. If we win then we get to negotiate new rates. If we lose we get to fly them with one seat deferred for 175 rates until the new contract is voted in.

"embrace the suck" i like it
 
GoJets

MikeD and Doug, please stop. We are having an intelligent discussion here leading to real change in our profession.

I say again. GoJets.

If you're for any airline other than Mesaba you hate America and you hate puppies. All puppies. And kitties.

Anyway, point taken you two. I wish Midwest was back, I don't know why the concept failed, I was really hoping to work for them someday. I was a SaveTheCookie.com member. Pretty lame that it all fell apart.
 
Here's something that I figured out a while ago. Now this is only an example for me and may or may not work for someone else: Back when I was active duty USAF, I started to really figure out just how full of crap the AF was, as my career progressed. When I'd have "pilot meetings" that had nothing to do with flying or tactics or combat; but instead focused on not getting speeding tickets on base, on stupid training programs like "trafficking in persons" or "don't ask, don't tell....and you", on making sure haircuts were within regs, etc. When I'd see countless idiots who were
Yes...please tell us about the haircut regs! I wonder who they were talking about? Hehehehe!:crazy:
 
Hey Doug, I hate to keep this useless banter going any further, but I have to throw a few facts in before I bounce back into the freight forum.:D

ps... KLB unless you know the facts and both sides of a story, I'd just ask you to zip it and either get informed or stay out. Those like SoCal and Delia know some facts... If you want to ask me or them, and get informed then we can talk. Thanks!

Zip it? Last time I read, as long as I follow the forum rykes I can pretty much post when and where I want. I have the facts. I was there. I was standing next to him when he approached the recruiter. I know more about it than you think. I can tell you that you're doing a lot of assuming.

What did you do to try to get invited to RAH. Did you get your resume walked in the door by someone? Did you go to any networking events that RAH attended? Or did you sit behind the computer and just fill out an application online?



Now, I do agree that networking is important, but I think by bringing up the fact the guy knew the recruiters, you might be making other people's points for them. Jealousy? Maybe. I'll flat out admit I was jealous of the bridge program guys getting hired at regionals with half the multi and 200 hours less total than I had when I was instructing. All because they paid a couple of extra grand to get the interview. I said it then, and I was proven right by a few other regionals: bridge programs will (and did) increase the costs to get hired at a regional.

The thing is he didn't know the recruiters. He met the recruiters at a job fair. He made and impression and he connected with them. I thought that is what networking is all about. That's what we do here anyways. Thats how I know and think so highly of you buddy! The person in "question" was similar. He allowed to them to see how he would be on a 4 day trip. He showed that he could be professional and social at the appropriate times. He did all the right things in my opinion.

I can't really hate on that.:dunno:
 
Im gonna start pimpin the cinco, just for the hell of it. Or instead, it will be 4 and then a line through them like when your counting.
 
Undercut, that's the name of the game. Bedford will give them below avg rates, and when RAH/F9/Pseudo-Midwest gain marketshare and profitability they'll be awarded huge raises on the following contract. Isn't that how Fedex/UPS/SWA did it? Those three companies didn't pay cream of the crop wages back in the day. Capitalism at it finest....

Someone is actually comparing a bottom feeding regional to Fedex. This is why people say don't get an aviation degree. Also pilots like Trip7 don't really help much with their mentality of doing a favor towards management in hopes for rewards. Who determines that 21 dollars is a good wage for a piot? You do, not the company. They have tons of cash to buy two struggling airlines but they can't raise your salary by 5 or 10 dollars more an hour? They can easily pay 40-60K for FOs, but they don't because they don't need to. Keep waiting for that reward. But don't worry the cycle will continue, about the time RAH figures out these rates, is about the time the Mitusubishi jets will arrive to replace them, capitalism at it's finest right?

As far as jealousy towards RAH, potential eagle style upgrades with the integrations and 45 dollar top out 8 year FO for a jet, which there definitely will be... No thanks. Colgan was mentioned in one of these posts... going from colgan to RAH would probably be the dumbest move ever.
 
Zip it? Last time I read, as long as I follow the forum rykes I can pretty much post when and where I want. I have the facts. I was there. I was standing next to him when he approached the recruiter. I know more about it than you think. I can tell you that you're doing a lot of assuming.

Whatever you say KLB you know it all... Much like Marcus. Its been blown out of wack and I would say you know very little between the two fo us... And thus the zip it comment I keep. You know something, are they the facts? Who knows. It seems like you have done a lot of assumptions since you have no clue who I am, never have spoken once, nor did you have all the facts of both sides. So if that's your investigation style, I will just say I'm happy you're a pilot and not a detective. If you want to take a time to take it to a PM and discuss things you are more then welcome. As can Marcus.
 
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