C208 Winter Flying Course

averyrm

averyrm

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Ok Cessna I get it, NO plane is certified to fly through SLD. I appreciate that our company has to pay you to tell us that. Riddle me this, why is it you have the only airplane I know of with a specific winter flying course assigned to it?

PS. Your "improvements" to the course still do not make the test questions line up in any way shape or form with the presentations. I did, however, get two of the same questions on every test.

Can I just sign a paper that says, "I'll do my best not to be an idiot," instead of wasting 45 mins next year?

Kisses,
Ryan
 
If it makes you feel any better, the MU-2 has a similar "don't be a moron" icing video that must be watched every recurrent.

It was infuriating. I feel your pain.

It's particularly amusing because the Mitsi is probably easier to fly in ice than anything else I've gotten my paws on.
 
averyrm said:
Ok Cessna I get it, NO plane is certified to fly through SLD. I appreciate that our company has to pay you to tell us that. Riddle me this, why is it you have the only airplane I know of with a specific winter flying course assigned to it?

PS. Your "improvements" to the course still do not make the test questions line up in any way shape or form with the presentations. I did, however, get two of the same questions on every test.

Can I just sign a paper that says, "I'll do my best not to be an idiot," instead of wasting 45 mins next year?

Kisses,
Ryan
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Because about once a year the caravan crashes flying up here in k-ice, when they should have been sitting. They don't have the performance if you add in the 1000lbs gross weight increase, and consider that they don't get high enough to get on top. I dunno, it may seem like a waste of time, but someone puts one in almost yearly around here.
 
ppragman said:
Because about once a year the caravan crashes flying up here in k-ice, when they should have been sitting. They don't have the performance if you add in the 1000lbs gross weight increase, and consider that they don't get high enough to get on top. I dunno, it may seem like a waste of time, but someone puts one in almost yearly around here.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think sitting through a presentation and taking a quiz is really going to help that. Possibly, if you're new to the whole icing thing and don't have the skill set to say no when it's bad, it could help. There are already so many placards and restrictions on icing in the limitations, I don't see the necessity for taking a course every year that you have to pay for.

I think I'd be happier if it were a free resource for pilots. Requiring operators pay for a course that says, "It's not just us! No one can fly in bad icing!" and having tests that impart little additional knowledge just seems wrong.

As an aside, I think Cessna deigned all of the placards for the airplane, and then figured out how big the plane should be to accommodate them ;)
 
averyrm said:
Ok Cessna I get it, NO plane is certified to fly through SLD. I appreciate that our company has to pay you to tell us that. Riddle me this, why is it you have the only airplane I know of with a specific winter flying course assigned to it?
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Having sat through this I have felt your pain.
We all have to thank the families of dead aviators that were too good to crash. It must have been the airplanes fault, since their loved ones would never have made a mistake and flown into conditions they shouldn't have or weren't forecast. Besides, death is an easy way for the living to get rich. Trial lawyers, ignorant juries and complacent judges are to blame. How else can Cessna justify charging as much as they do?
 
ppragman said:
Because about once a year the caravan crashes flying up here in k-ice, when they should have been sitting. They don't have the performance if you add in the 1000lbs gross weight increase, and consider that they don't get high enough to get on top. I dunno, it may seem like a waste of time, but someone puts one in almost yearly around here.
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K-ice?
 
averyrm said:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think sitting through a presentation and taking a quiz is really going to help that. Possibly, if you're new to the whole icing thing and don't have the skill set to say no when it's bad, it could help. There are already so many placards and restrictions on icing in the limitations, I don't see the necessity for taking a course every year that you have to pay for.

I think I'd be happier if it were a free resource for pilots. Requiring operators pay for a course that says, "It's not just us! No one can fly in bad icing!" and having tests that impart little additional knowledge just seems wrong.

As an aside, I think Cessna deigned all of the placards for the airplane, and then figured out how big the plane should be to accommodate them ;)
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Ohh, its not for you at all, and undoubtably you are infinitely more prepared and familiar with the specifics of how the airplane flies than are the lawyers who built the video presentation, and certainly its a gigantor waste of time, more specifically what I mean is that its a meant to fulfill the arbitrary requirements of some BS insurance, or litigation requirement.

mikecweb said:
K-ice?
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known icing, sorry if that wasn't clear.
 
BajtheJino said:
Having sat through this I have felt your pain.
We all have to thank the families of dead aviators that were too good to crash. It must have been the airplanes fault, since their loved ones would never have made a mistake and flown into conditions they shouldn't have or weren't forecast. Besides, death is an easy way for the living to get rich. Trial lawyers, ignorant juries and complacent judges are to blame. How else can Cessna justify charging as much as they do?
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Just saw this, basically what I was trying to say before, just I wasn't as articulate.
 
JayAre said:
Nope a free Ameriflight hat and jacket and letter of "you lucky son of bitch you should be dead good job"
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I'm suprised they didn't just give you one of those fancy new company lanyards!

We all got hats by the way.:D
 
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