Eagle Pilots Protest Outsourcing of Jobs in Chicago

subpilot said:
Eagle is not outsourcing. Eagle is owned by AMR, just as American is owned by AMR.
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Eagle is still flying numerous (and an increasing number of) routes formerly flown by American, and American still has pilots on furlough. It's outsourcing.

ATN_Pilot said:
Somewhat, yes. There is a difference, though, in that the EGL complaint is a scope violation, while the outsourcing to EGL is a scope exception agreed to by the APA membership. The EGL guys are just enforcing their contract.
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:yeahthat:
 
Let it be said as many times as it needs to be, that CHQ folks don't friggin WANT to move to ORD. Let it be said that we would rather stay in STL. Let it be said that the ORD move is only to live out the rest of the whole tired contract that AMR has to abide by since buying TWA. In 3 years, this whole farce will be but a funny memory, and Eagle will once again posess the regional routes.

In the meantime, the hardworking STL Trans-States gate agents and ramp tower folks will still be out of work, regardless of the horrors CHQ inflicted upon the innocent in ORD.
 
wildfreightess said:
Let it be said as many times as it needs to be, that CHQ folks don't friggin WANT to move to ORD. Let it be said that we would rather stay in STL. Let it be said that the ORD move is only to live out the rest of the whole tired contract that AMR has to abide by since buying TWA. In 3 years, this whole farce will be but a funny memory, and Eagle will once again posess the regional routes.

In the meantime, the hardworking STL Trans-States gate agents and ramp tower folks will still be out of work, regardless of the horrors CHQ inflicted upon the innocent in ORD.
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AMR recently updated the CHQ contract. New expiration date? 2013.

Eagle contract expiration date? 2013.

This was planned.
 
While i hope it doesn’t happen, here's a playing devils advocate question:

I wonder how AMR would work using multiple "contracted and owned' carriers to do there work?
Say worst case in 2013 there is farming out of the work.

It SUCKS for the wholly owned.....a very familiar road for many carriers big and small.

It probably would be equal to the mess that Delta is in. (Mess in the pilots & regional company eyes......But worth gold to create the unrest and undercutting each other in business as a "cost bottom line" as we are all told)
Look at how Delta runs.......tons of regionals doing all kinds of things.
Not a swift or great operation in many respects.....and alot of pissed off people as a result.

What a mess.
 
I'll betchya if the capital markets were a little freer, there would be Subsidiarycarriersellapalooza going on.

Not an affront to the people at Comair, but if Delta could sell it, they certainly would and I'm sure they'd agree too.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I'll betchya if the capital markets were a little freer, there would be Subsidiarycarriersellapalooza going on.

Not an affront to the people at Comair, but if Delta could sell it, they certainly would and I'm sure they'd agree too.
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Don't forget DAL shopped around Comair publicly (as in there were news headlines to the effect) and found no takers, then sold ASA to SkyW
 
Polar742 said:
Don't forget DAL shopped around Comair publicly (as in there were news headlines to the effect) and found no takers, then sold ASA to SkyW
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We're not an attractive product. Very senior pilot group that won't hesitate to strike and have a buch of older 50 seat CRJ's. The more Delta cuts the less attractive we get; especially since Delta won't offer the same long term contract incentive as they did with ASA! Delta needed the quick cash from the ASA sale inorder to get the DIP financing from American Express. They have learned their lesson and the new manangement is banging their heads on the wall. Delta needed the quick cash from the ASA sale inorder to get the DIP financing from American Express.
 
H46Bubba said:
We're not an attractive product. Very senior pilot group that won't hesitate to strike and have a buch of older 50 seat CRJ's. The more Delta cuts the less attractive we get; especially since Delta won't offer the same long term contract incentive as they did with ASA! Delta needed the quick cash from the ASA sale inorder to get the DIP financing from American Express. They have learned their lesson and the new manangement is banging their heads on the wall. Delta needed the quick cash from the ASA sale inorder to get the DIP financing from American Express.
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May their heads crack open and they all bleed out.

Thanks for all the help Delta.
 
H46Bubba said:
Delta needed the quick cash from the ASA sale inorder to get the DIP financing from American Express.
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It's sad that most recent bankruptcies centered around the Credit card companies and their reluctance to let the airlines have the ticket money.
 
MQAAord said:
I do.

ORD-ROC
ORD-PHL

Just to name a couple flights I remember working on AA's F-100s & MD80s.


"They're taking OUR flying!" Mmmhmmm, yeah, it's been going on for a while now.
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Your right. When I was a little creature in the 80s I used to see an American 727-200/ MD-82 at ROC. Now it's all been outsourced.

They should make a rule that regionals can only fly a certain distant from their hub. But that's wishful thinking. Heck I remember that they had an Eagle flight from DFW to SYR. That's almost 3:30 hours.
 

You also need to look at what has happened to ROC in the past 10-15years:

- Majority of Xerox, which was entirely based in ROC, leaves Upstate NY.
- Kodak doesn't catch up to the age of digital photography, closing most of its facilities.


HUUUGE exodus from that area. Certainly not arguing with MQAAord's OVERALL point, but ROC has its own issues.
 
The biggest difference, really, between the outsourcing at Eagle with American vs Eagle with CHQ is this:

Most of it was agreed to or fostered by American pilots. They agreed on scope relief with provisions for the original Flow Back/Flow Though agreement. That's how Eagle came to have so many jets in the first place. Then AMR widened the gap a bit more with a crowbar (the 140...) and there you have it.

Eagle's been against the CHQ flying since the beginning, and we lost the fight in arbitration on a perceived technicality: we couldn't be given that growth because we were already growing at max rate. Now we're perceptibly shrinking, we have airframe parked and pilots on the street.

.. and the CHQ scenario of present violates our contract.

Different scenario, really.
 
AMR seems to be danged if they do, danged if they don't. The contract between CHQ and AMR forbids outstation basing (as if there are going to be many flights in and out of STL next Spring anyhow), so they HAVE to move CHQ's operation, or violate our contract. However, in doing so, they violate Eagle's contract.

Eagle has every right to protest. Everyone at CHQ is hoping they're successful. I hope CHQ would do the same thing if it was us, but I doubt our union is that proactive. I see Eagle winning, AMR forced to terminate our contract and fork out $$$ so that Bedford has a little somethin' somethin' to beef up the 170/190 operation.

It'll definitly be an interesting couple of months ahead.
 
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