TSA Badges

Hooha

Hooha

Well-Known Member
It looks like the TSA badges have made it to KTYR. Below is a cut and paste of an email one of my friends received. I know they have been required in the DFW area for a while but I thought there was a fee with the badge and this email doesn't say anything about a charge. What has been yall's experience with the badges?? They are only good for one airport right? This just seems like such a racket. I need a badge to walk out to an airplane that is at an FBO that I've working at for years, everyone knows me, but I DON'T need a "badge" to vote!! Crap I'm feeling grumpy now.......

Here's the email...


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<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Tyler</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Pounds</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Regional</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Airport</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> will be going to a COMPLETE Airport Security Program. This involves “badging” of all personnel authorized to access the Security Identification Display Area (SIDA) and the Air Operations Area (AOA) of the Airport. GREEN badges with an “E” will be issued for persons you are authorizing to escort unbadged persons onto the SIDA; GREEN badges without an “E” will be issued for persons who are not authorized to escort unbadged persons onto the SIDA. <o:p></o:p>
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There will be a training session here in the new terminal building at which time badge applications will be filled out by all persons applying for an Airport badge. A Security Threat Assessment (STA) will be done on all new applicants. Photos of new applicants will also be taken at that time. After the persons have successfully passed the STA, badges will be issued. (NOTE: Currently badged fuelers will need to attend the training and fill out a new badge application; however, they will not be required to undergo the STA process.) <o:p></o:p>
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We need a list from you of all the persons who you will be authorizing to enter the Security Identification Display Area. Also, indicate whether which persons you are authorizing for “Escort” privileges. Please limit the number of persons with Escort Privilege to no more than three (3) persons per shift. We are requesting this information no later than Monday, September 14<SUP>th</SUP>. Thank you for your cooperation.<o:p></o:p>
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gaaah, I have to fly into there every night. Guess ill see how long i can get away w/o a badge. Im sure there will be a charge tho. Back ground checks arent free.
 
Looks like this is just the standard stuff that most airport have that receive 121 air carrier traffic. It shouldn't affect GA unless they make the FBO ramps SIDA areas.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Looks like this is just the standard stuff that most airport have that receive 121 air carrier traffic. It shouldn't affect GA unless they make the FBO ramps SIDA areas.
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That's pretty much what they've been doing.:mad: Their philosophy is if it's inside the security fence it's in the SIDA
 
The airport controls whether or not there is a charge, and if there is how much. Thats why there always is a charge ;)
 
Just think of how much more important you'll feel with a badge :sarcasm:

And if the TSA is involved then there will most definitely be a fee.
 
So I was the only one in my flying club that got the badge (since they said we couldn't get out unescorted without one). They never mentioned any charge for the badge. That was about two months ago.

Today I got the bill - apparently the airport charged Signature, and Signature charged our club $35, and the club charged me. Meanwhile none of the other guys in the club have badges nor are they asked for them when they go out to the plane.

I think I just got the full shaft. :mad:
 
Murdoughnut said:
So I was the only one in my flying club that got the badge (since they said we couldn't get out unescorted without one). They never mentioned any charge for the badge. That was about two months ago.

Today I got the bill - apparently the airport charged Signature, and Signature charged our club $35, and the club charged me. Meanwhile none of the other guys in the club have badges nor are they asked for them when they go out to the plane.

I think I just got the full shaft. :mad:
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you got the best deal. you're now the safest.:sarcasm:
 
TUS is enforcing it EVERYWHERE. $65 for the badge, and we are seriously having to walk out to the airplanes to escort unbadged renters from airplane to building or vice versa.

Once again TSA has figured out a way to punish the honest people. Great job!:crazy:
 
cmill said:
gaaah, I have to fly into there every night. Guess ill see how long i can get away w/o a badge. Im sure there will be a charge tho. Back ground checks arent free.
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I am based in TYR... as long as you/your aircraft isn't based here you shouldn't have any issue not getting a badge... the badges here are pretty pathetic compared to IAH's. I didn't have to pay any fee although I am sure my employer did.
 
BillErvin said:
That's pretty much what they've been doing.:mad: Their philosophy is if it's inside the security fence it's in the SIDA
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It has been my experience that typically only the air carrier ramps are SIDA areas...which is why you usually see a red line if an air carrier ramp is next to a FBO/GA ramp. The line usually says DO NOT ENTER...SIDA AREA or something to that effect.

However, some of the ideas that TSA has floated about badging are just insane as it doesn't do anything to increase safety and only drives up the cost to GA. (.02 worth).
 
First, where is the actual language that gives these badges teeth? SIDA areas are only required for airports with scheduled airline or charter operations, for the most part. Unless the airport has a designated area, there is no SIDA and there is no requirement for badging. It's almost funny to me, having worked at IAD and having been to other airports that have a valid interest in badging, to work at <some Delta airfield in North Phoenix> and hear comments about needing a badge to be on the ramp. Please...

The FBO I worked at tried to claim people needed to be escorted to their aircraft, and the school I now work for claims visitors need to be escorted as well. There is no SIDA, so there is no requirement. I hate how some think all airports need to have active security measures.

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Also, indicate whether which persons you are authorizing for “Escort” privileges.<O:p
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"Badging" - as opposed to actually badging?
"Escort" privileges - where you can figuratively walk people to their aircraft
Of course, my favourite is all caps anything. They typed it in all caps because GREEN is so much more vibrant and important than just green.

Honestly, 8 years to the day of the reason all of this is taking place, and we haven't had anything else happen that really asserts a need for any of this. There is no need. If people really want to do something, they'll do it. That's not to say we should ignore all of the signs and leave everything unlocked/unwatched. We just don't need the government placing unnecessary burdens on everyone. If they really want to, they should be the ones paying for it.
 
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