Amerijet On Strike!
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Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
about time we see this kind on unity in the business.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Let's see if we can check off all on this list (off the top of my head - feel free to add to it if you're not on there):
Great Lakes
Mesa
Any of the RAH
Astar
Mesaba
Compass
Delta
United
CAL
AirTran
Colgan
ASA
TSA
AWAC
PDT
PCL
WN
Alaska
...heck, just about everyone flies to MIA....
I'll go down for a day if the strike is still on when I'm off work.
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Divine Wind
New Member
Of course not. As previously mentioned, all pilots benefit when the industry standards are raised and we all lose when the industry standards fall.
The confusion is caused by 727to7400's assertion that ALPA must come running to any pilot union's assistance when needed. This is wrong on two levels.
First, I'd rather see my dues and union assets used for the direct assistance of my union's members, not another. We're not responsible for other unions, pilot or otherwise, and we certainly aren't a charity.
Secondly, it is completely out of line for someone outside my union to demand or even question our assistance in their own union problems. Would they be equally whiney about our involvement if ALPA jumped into their politics or other affairs? I think not since this is why they chose to affiliate with another union instead of ALPA.
tonyw
Well-Known Member
It doesn't matter if an ALPA group or an IBT group gets a better contract. A better contract helps everyone.
Good luck to the Amerijet people! I don't have a dog in this hunt and I'm still on their side.
By the way, if ALPA keeps a scab list, they're not the only ones. There was an incident a number of years ago where a major league team was all set to call up someone from the minors. But because that person was on the list of names of replacement players, the MLBPA rep on the team went to management and that guy never got the call.
Good luck to the Amerijet people! I don't have a dog in this hunt and I'm still on their side.
By the way, if ALPA keeps a scab list, they're not the only ones. There was an incident a number of years ago where a major league team was all set to call up someone from the minors. But because that person was on the list of names of replacement players, the MLBPA rep on the team went to management and that guy never got the call.
WacoFan
Bigly
What is the SCAB situation currently? I read on another board that some Canadian outfil with a 767 came and hauled their freight. How can the names of those guys be found? Also...does a Canadian guy have much to worry about being on an American SCAB list? I have heard that about 20% of the pilots crossed the line - and there was a raging discussion on the other board about "even if you are a non union pilot, and your company picks up this freight and you get canned...that is just what you will have to do." My question is, if you are a non-union carrier, your company elects to fly this freight and you have to do it and get fired, what recourse do you have if any?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Absolutely none. The best they can hope for is that there entire pilot group (unionized or not) lets management know that they are not interested in carrying around AMJ cargo nobody currently flying for that company is going to carry that cargo. Management then has the option of firing EVERYBODY (pretty costly) or just not carrying the AMJ stuff.
WacoFan
Bigly
Yeah...but if 20% of Amerijets pilots won't honor their own picket line what chance do you think 100% unity at a non-union carrier that wasn't on strike would have? So...are the non-union employees of the company that is hired to haul this freight scabs? They are flying struck work so I would imagine yes.
They are flying struck work, yes. But how would it be known who specifically at a contract carrier was flying Amerijet cargo (struck work) for the purposes of their being identified as a scab?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You'd be amazed how far strikers will go to find the names of scabs to properly mark them for the rest of their careers.
That what i was wondering, if individual pieces of Amerijet cargo could be tracked on 3rd party transportation systems, so it could be determined who/what is transporting them outside the actual Amerijet network.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Networking has a lot of advantages.
More likely, the pilots at the contracted carrier wouldn't know it was "amerijet cargo".
The box probably says "DELL" or "Oranges" or "Urine" and not "Amerijet". At Airnet, we'd put our own airbill on stuff, so I'm not sure we would have had any way to know any of the little boxes were "amerijet cargo".
-mini
Yes, that's where my question was leading. How would one at a 3rd party even know if they were flying struck work, and would they still be held accountable for stuff they don't know, in that respect? Thinking back to my own cargo days, there were a number of items I'd carry that I didn't know who had carried it by the time it got to me.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
If you all of a sudden are finding yourself TDY in MIA, then that should give one a hint.
http://scabvision.ning.com/photo
http://scabvision.ning.com/photo
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Don't forget American Eagle. We're not "American". I'll do my APA brothers the courtesy of not making them say it (like they always do.
)I know some folks @ Eagle ALPA. Lessee if I can get some things rolling. We do have a little presence there, after all.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I hope all of the newbies on here (like jhugz) take a look at that site and see the consequences of not standing with your brother pilots. These morons now have their names and pictures posted on the internet for the entire world to see, labeled as scabs. For the rest of their lives, they'll be listed alongside the few thousand others that have been blacklisted for decades. Don't ruin your life and career by making the same mistake.
pullup
Homewrecker
Gulf Stream?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
So the "unofficial" word I got about ALPA's (lack of) involvement in this was that they feel that the IBT has been "poaching" airlines as of late and as such don't want to get involved. Seems sort of short sighted to me and maybe an official response will be forthcoming. Interesting note, my MEC knew nothing about the strike until I asked if we were going to put out a blast mail.
"Brotherhood" would appear to only apply when in the same family then, if this is indeed true.