FAA Revises CFR Parts 61, 91, And 141

Some interesting changes to 61.51(e) (PIC time logging).

Also, military guys can finally convert their IP designations to FAA CFIs.

The only thing I'm not seeing which I was hoping to was the removal of expiration dates from CFI tickets. Maybe next time around.
 
Personally, I like the expiration on the CFI, for the mere fact that it keeps me abreast of major changes in parts of the FARs I rarely deal with.

The PIC logging deal might be huge for augmented/heavy/double (whatever your company calls the crew of 3 or 4 in a 2 pilot jet) IROs. The final wording will be fun.

Let the games begin on 29 OCT
 
AFAIK, one of the changes is regarding a CFII. Basically, someone with just a CFII won't be able to do anything, the way I've read/seen it described.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
AFAIK, one of the changes is regarding a CFII. Basically, someone with just a CFII won't be able to do anything, the way I've read/seen it described.
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to save me from going through all of that again, where did you see this?

edit: i think i found it...is this it?


73............................. Sec. 61.195(c)(1) & (2). Establishes the flight instructor qualifications
for providing instrument training in flight to be
a CFII in the appropriate category and class of
aircraft.

would that mean a CFII would also need a CFI-A?
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BobDDuck said:
Some interesting changes to 61.51(e) (PIC time logging).

Also, military guys can finally convert their IP designations to FAA CFIs.

The only thing I'm not seeing which I was hoping to was the removal of expiration dates from CFI tickets. Maybe next time around.
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This will make alot of people in my unit happy :D


Polar742 said:
Personally, I like the expiration on the CFI, for the mere fact that it keeps me abreast of major changes in parts of the FARs I rarely deal with.

The PIC logging deal might be huge for augmented/heavy/double (whatever your company calls the crew of 3 or 4 in a 2 pilot jet) IROs. The final wording will be fun.

Let the games begin on 29 OCT
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I missed the part dealing with heavy/double crews. I've only been logging crew position time for logbook purposes. Maybe as the PIC, it might be different, but as FO I never bothered logging "bunk" time. It went towards duty time limits, but AFAIK nothing else. Is there a change there?
 
Flying Bison said:
to save me from going through all of that again, where did you see this?

edit: i think i found it...is this it?


73............................. Sec. 61.195(c)(1) & (2). Establishes the flight instructor qualifications
for providing instrument training in flight to be
a CFII in the appropriate category and class of
aircraft.

would that mean a CFII would also need a CFI-A?
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Dang, I was about to get it to you, but you found it. The way I read it is exactly as you have. A CFII is going to have to have the required class/category instructor rating to teach the CFII stuff. So without a CFI/MEI, a CFII is not going to be useful.

I'd bet this also has to do with the way some of the flight schools are doing instructor ratings now. I know a few places that were doing the CFII stuff first, so that when you did your FAA ride, all you had to know was the instrument stuff, and how to teach it. Rather than doing all the private/commerical stuff, and all of that. I had been thinking about taking that route, but now probably won't.
 
germb747 said:
I missed the part dealing with heavy/double crews. I've only been logging crew position time for logbook purposes. Maybe as the PIC, it might be different, but as FO I never bothered logging "bunk" time. It went towards duty time limits, but AFAIK nothing else. Is there a change there?
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There really isn't a part, per se, that addresses it. However, they talk about "acting PIC" under direct supervision of the "PIC". When we do a heavy crew, the person that relieves the CA in our flight plan designates themselves on the release as "PIC HHMM-HHMM" At that point you are acting PIC under direct supervision of the PIC. Depending on how the final wording is taken, this may or may not be possible. Basically, it would be a vehicle to build PIC time for contract work.


In other news, we log all of our time on a flight. Why? Because the people that wrote the book told me to.
 
All we do care about is how southwest and the rest of the carriers and operators see this new PIC time. I would assume if you designated the PIC from the Ops Specs of your company, you get the PIC and other person is the SIC, regardless of the person flying.
 
Polar742 said:
In other news, we log all of our time on a flight. Why? Because the people that wrote the book told me to.
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I logged the total flight time in the remarks section so I wouldn't lose track of it, but in reality I did few flights with augmented crews on the civilian side. It's done routinely in the C-5, with probably almost half my time is "other" or out-of-the-seat time. That time tends to be of zero value to the FAA.

Anyway, it looks like under the old rules, I would have qualified for an unrestricted ATP. The new rules would issue me an ATP with a "does not meet ICAO requirements" endorsement, because I'm just shy of the required PIC time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the old rules allowed you to credit half your SIC time towards the 1200 hour requirement; the new rules only allow you to credit half your SIC time toward the 1500 hour requirement (the new reg actually refers you to the ICAO rules).
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
AFAIK, one of the changes is regarding a CFII. Basically, someone with just a CFII won't be able to do anything, the way I've read/seen it described.
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Holy crap, the FAA did something that made sense. Also, wasn't this revision supposed to come out like 3 years ago?
 
germb747 said:
Anyway, it looks like under the old rules, I would have qualified for an unrestricted ATP. The new rules would issue me an ATP with a "does not meet ICAO requirements" endorsement, because I'm just shy of the required PIC time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the old rules allowed you to credit half your SIC time towards the 1200 hour requirement; the new rules only allow you to credit half your SIC time toward the 1500 hour requirement (the new reg actually refers you to the ICAO rules).
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I had the ICAO restriction due to some ratio. I'd never heard of it, the POI really didn't know, and when I went to the FSDO to get it removed, they didn't know what it was, but did want to know how a flight from MCO to EYW could take 6 hours in a jet (I let him in that I had 5 flights that day).
 
Concerning revisions #63 and #65, if you read through the entire description, it would appear that they are opening the door for dual X/C while training for an instrument rating could be counted for the commercial X/C requirements.

Thoughts? Am I reading this right?
 
That's a lot of reading.. especially in plain old text. I hope they make something online where you can easily navigate through the changes.
 
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