Just a reminder about numbers and letters

CaptBill

CaptBill

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Hey guys, just as a reminder:

When you are reporting altitudes to ATC, please use the proper phraseology with respect to the number zero.

FL280 is 28 Zero NOT 28 Oh (as in the letter O)

I just finished a 4 day trip and heard far too many pilots make this mistake.

Becoming a professional pilot is accomplished one step at a time - this is simply one of those steps.
 
One of those steps too many are careless about.

So be it so long as it doesn't affect my ability to be properly seperated.

Had a Malibu ride up on us that failed to stop his climb at FL190 as we were descending down the CANUK arrival into Atlanta. While, not directly related to his phraseology - as to be honest - I can't remember what he said, he just failed to act professionally in Class A airspace probably in the same mindset he was when he left his Class G airfield.

We're all guilting of making non-standard callouts, or using improper phraseology. It happens. It's a matter of not allowing it to become a habit.
 
I agree. That is one of my pet peeves, along with "Indy Center, how ya doin' today, this is XXX checking in at FL 3 oh oh."
 
Thank you Calcapt!

I'd like to add to the list, "taking the active 35" while you're at an uncontrolled field. Where are you taking it? Who said it was active? Correct me if I'm wrong, but only a towered field can have a runway designated as "the active".
 
Im guilty of saying Chicago Approach, Cessna 12345 with you, One thousand two hundred, for five thousand
 
calcapt said:
Hey guys, just as a reminder:

When you are reporting altitudes to ATC, please use the proper phraseology with respect to the number zero.

FL280 is 28 Zero NOT 28 Oh (as in the letter O)

I just finished a 4 day trip and heard far too many pilots make this mistake.

Becoming a professional pilot is accomplished one step at a time - this is simply one of those steps.
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:clap::clap:

Another thing to add... it is a Flight Level... not just the numerical portion...
 
pullup said:
What's wrong with "with you"?
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It's redundant. If you're calling on the radio to ATC, you're obviously "with them". Same as "checking in", etc. It's extraneous comm for no other reason than to have something to say.


How about......458SP as "Four Fiver Eight Sugar Pop!" :banghead:
 
cencal83406 said:
Redundant; unnecessary. By virtue of checking in with "Atlanta Center, Flagship 1234 Flight Level Tree Two Zero" you have told them that you are with them.
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Eh, I think it adds a gentle human touch to the radio call. I understand your position just don't wholeheartedly agree.
 
Yankee Doodle Floppy Disk, this is Foxtrot Zulu Milkshake, checking in at 700 feet, request permission to land.
 
pullup said:
cencal83406 said:
Redundant; unnecessary. By virtue of checking in with "Atlanta Center, Flagship 1234 Flight Level Tree Two Zero" you have told them that you are with them.
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Eh, I think it adds a gentle human touch to the radio call. I understand your position just don't wholeheartedly agree.
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If you want to add a gentle human touch, just say good morning/afternoon/evening on the initial call.
 
MikeD said:
It's redundant. If you're calling on the radio to ATC, you're obviously "with them". Same as "checking in", etc. It's extraneous comm for no other reason than to have something to say.


How about......458SP as "Four Fiver Eight Sugar Pop!" :banghead:
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ugh, there's a King Air on my field that does that. Drives me INSANE.

and how about the weekend warrior private pilot saying "over" after every radio transmission.
 
surreal1221 said:
One of those steps too many are careless about.

So be it so long as it doesn't affect my ability to be properly seperated.

Had a Malibu ride up on us that failed to stop his climb at FL190 as we were descending down the CANUK arrival into Atlanta. While, not directly related to his phraseology - as to be honest - I can't remember what he said, he just failed to act professionally in Class A airspace probably in the same mindset he was when he left his Class G airfield.

We're all guilting of making non-standard callouts, or using improper phraseology. It happens. It's a matter of not allowing it to become a habit.
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Because assumptions like that are professional :banghead:
 
Maybe the OP and all the people that replied "yeah, there's this one guy..." should put on a seminar at their local airport. If you fly for an air carrier, go to your CP and ask if you can draft a memo to be distributed to your coworkers.

Find NTSB reports in which an incident occured as a direct result of poor communication. Review the AIM and approved phraseology. Explain that even ATC gets sloppy, but it isn't any reason for you to follow suit.

Bitching about it on a web forum isn't going to accomplish anything.
 
Thanks for the reminder calcapt. I'm usually a stickler for proper phraseology, but unfortunately the Oh/Zero habit is one that I picked up really early and for some reason I can't shake it (yet). It is so engrained that unless I conciously work at it I forget that it's bad form.

I'll try to do better. :cool:
 
calcapt said:
Hey guys, just as a reminder:

When you are reporting altitudes to ATC, please use the proper phraseology with respect to the number zero.

FL280 is 28 Zero NOT 28 Oh (as in the letter O)

I just finished a 4 day trip and heard far too many pilots make this mistake.

Becoming a professional pilot is accomplished one step at a time - this is simply one of those steps.
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:yeahthat:
 
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