TSA Endorsement

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shdw

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Maybe my search failed but I didn't see a post up for this so I figured I would put one up for everyone.

Logbook or Record-keeping Requirements. An instructor must keep a copy of the documents for five years that are used to prove citizenship or make an endorsement in both the instructor's logbook, or other record used by the instructor to record flight student endorsements, and the student's logbook with the following:

"I certify that [insert student's name] has presented me a [insert type of document presented, such as a U.S. birth certificate or U.S. passport, and the relevant control or sequential number on the document, if any] establishing that [he or she] is a U.S. citizen or national in accordance with 49 CFR 1552.3(h). [Insert date and instructor's signature and CFI number.]"
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Source: http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/

Protect yourselves and enjoy!
 
I'm a horrible person and a horrible flight instructor....


What if I never gave an endorsement/kept a copy of a document proving the student was a US citizen and this student has taken his checkride and completed his training within the last year and I don't even talk to him anymore?
 
c172captain said:
I'm a horrible person and a horrible flight instructor....


What if I never gave an endorsement/kept a copy of a document proving the student was a US citizen and this student has taken his checkride and completed his training within the last year and I don't even talk to him anymore?
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What ever you do, don't worry about it.
:beer:
 
Douglas said:
What ever you do, don't worry about it.
:beer:
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Explain? He was pming me about this and I didn't know so I told him to post it here and see. Are they just not taking it seriously currently since it is so new?

:beer: (replace with stoli) bottoms up I can't wait to argue with ms and das on that other post after a few more of these!!!
 
shdw said:
Explain? He was pming me about this and I didn't know so I told him to post it here and see. Are they just not taking it seriously currently since it is so new?

:beer: (replace with stoli) bottoms up I can't wait to argue with ms and das on that other post after a few more of these!!!
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There is a very good chance that the schools he taught at took this information, without him even knowing it and it is stored somewhere, 61 and/or 141.

Plus, look at the big picture, how many CFI certificates are out there that can operate under 61, anytime anyplace with zero contact info with the TSA.
Sean, don't lose any sleep.

Damn, I hate the TSA.

I would make sure you have this,
http://download.tsa.dhs.gov/fssa/training/
It is good for one year.

Give TSA endorsements from now on, and don't worry about the rest. :beer:
 
Douglas said:
There is a very good chance that the schools he taught at took this information, without him even knowing it and it is stored somewhere, 61 and/or 141.

Plus, look at the big picture, how many CFI certificates are out there that can operate under 61, anytime anyplace with zero contact info with the TSA.
Sean, don't lose any sleep.
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Agreed.

There's no official place for a CFI or school to report the check. If a CFI checks the "proof" is either in the CFI/school's records or as an endorsement in the student's logbook. The only way that TSA knows one way or the another is by checking the records of a CFI or flight school.

Even if the flight school doesn't do it as a matter of course, it's the flight school that is more likely to have to answer than you. If you're an independent, the chances are that you wouldn't get checked.

That's not to say, don't bother doing it. Absolutely do it. It's a rule and unless you're into civil disobedience about rules you don't like, there's no reason not to comply.

But I wouldn't lose any sleep about one I already missed.
 
Douglas said:
There is a very good chance that the schools he taught at took this information, without him even knowing it and it is stored somewhere, 61 and/or 141.

Plus, look at the big picture, how many CFI certificates are out there that can operate under 61, anytime anyplace with zero contact info with the TSA.
Sean, don't lose any sleep.

Damn, I hate the TSA.

I would make sure you have this,
http://download.tsa.dhs.gov/fssa/training/
It is good for one year.

Give TSA endorsements from now on, and don't worry about the rest. :beer:
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Thanks Douglas :D

MidlifeFlyer said:
Agreed.

There's no official place for a CFI or school to report the check. If a CFI checks the "proof" is either in the CFI/school's records or as an endorsement in the student's logbook. The only way that TSA knows one way or the another is by checking the records of a CFI or flight school.

Even if the flight school doesn't do it as a matter of course, it's the flight school that is more likely to have to answer than you. If you're an independent, the chances are that you wouldn't get checked.

That's not to say, don't bother doing it. Absolutely do it. It's a rule and unless you're into civil disobedience about rules you don't like, there's no reason not to comply.

But I wouldn't lose any sleep about one I already missed.
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Hmmm. So it's not like one of the things where if the student crashes they don't check to see if he was a legal alien, it's more of a ramp check to see if you're following rules?
 
I'm an independent and although I haven't had any direct interaction w/ the TSA, an inspector did visit the small airport where I instruct. Fortunately, I was off that day and didn't have to meet him, but he did ask the airport manager if I was following protocol. I'm not sure what he would have wanted to see if I had been there that day.
 
c172captain said:
Hmmm. So it's not like one of the things where if the student crashes they don't check to see if he was a legal alien, it's more of a ramp check to see if you're following rules?
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Pretty much. Generally, the FAA and NTSB don't administer or enforce the TSA rules. Nor care to.

OTOH, if the pilot who crashed has a "wrong" sounding name, it might cause the authorities to sit up on their haunches and howl.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Pretty much. Generally, the FAA and NTSB don't administer or enforce the TSA rules. Nor care to.

OTOH, if the pilot who crashed has a "wrong" sounding name, it might cause the authorities to sit up on their haunches and howl.
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We have had visits from the TSA checking the records at the Aero Club on base. Also TSA folks were on hand with the Viper [Visible Intermodal Protection and Response] teams at several airports during the All-Star game, although they weren't checking school records ;)
 
The TSA rules for alien flight training are an asinine, knee-jerk response to a single event. They'd be much better off shutting that portion of the TSA down and using its resources for something better...like flushing money down a toilet.
 
Roger said:
The TSA rules for alien flight training are an asinine, knee-jerk response to a single event. They'd be much better off shutting that portion of the TSA down and using its resources for something better...like flushing money down a toilet.
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:yeahthat:

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