Crash in Hawthorne, CA

I had to orbit over this for about 20 minutes today. Quite sad :( It's very impressive that the pilot didn't hit any buildings, the picture in the article above doesn't show the numerous buildings on all sides of the plane. The video in the article does a good job of showing the surrounding buildings
 
Really sucks... I hate the mystery behind GA accidents.. they should make black boxes standard on new airplanes just so the NTSB can get better, quicker info..

May all 3 souls rest in peace..
 
GreenDayPilot said:
Really sucks... I hate the mystery behind GA accidents.. they should make black boxes standard on new airplanes just so the NTSB can get better, quicker info..

May all 3 souls rest in peace..
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Yeah, look at how great the black boxes are helping to answer all our questions in the Air France crash.

Give me a break.
 
Codyjp said:
Yeah, look at how great the black boxes are helping to answer all our questions in the Air France crash.

Give me a break.
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Relax dude!, don't look just at this single case. The fact is that the data obtained from "black boxes" through out the years has helped to improve flight safety enormously.

So again, relax.
 
Then can somebody tell me what it would take to install a blackbox into a small GA aircraft?? I can't imagine it would be feasible, easy, light or cheap.

Even if this plane had a black box we would be waiting months if not years for the results.

BTW, I am relaxed, that is why I'm not the one panicking trying to find out what happened to this particular plane. I'll be patient, the NTSB will release a preliminary report soon enough.
 
Codyjp said:
Then can somebody tell me what it would take to install a blackbox into a small GA aircraft?? I can't imagine it would be feasible, easy, light or cheap.

Even if this plane had a black box we would be waiting months if not years for the results.

BTW, I am relaxed, that is why I'm not the one panicking trying to find out what happened to this particular plane. I'll be patient, the NTSB will release a preliminary report soon enough.
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No, the results would be instant. It's just a matter of listening to it :-) Who cares if it's never released to the public. The NTSB would get a better, faster conclusion to the crash. In turn, the knowledge attained would only lead to higher safety procedures and standards.

Why wouldn't it be feasible, easy, light, or cheap? An ELT is all that and and I would imagine a black box would be all that (just a little heavier).

I had a buddy perish a few years ago in an airplane. Although they came out with their report, no one will TRULY know what happened in the cockpit. With a blackbox, everyone (family included) would know how it all ended.

... and for the record, you don't sound relaxed at all.
 
With glass cockpit aircraft, I'm sure some sort of flight data recorder would be both easy to design and lightweight...but it wouldn't be cheap.

With conventional panel aircraft, the idea becomes more complicated. I think it would be difficult to measure many parameters directly without stringing up sensors all over the aircraft. What could maybe be done instead would be a voice recorder on the intercom and a couple video cameras mounted externally to record the flight control surface deflections, pitch/bank attitude, flight visibility, approximate altitude and speed, etc.

In the jump plane I fly we have a camera mounted in the wing to record the skydivers exiting. It records to a standard camcorder. The whole system was easy to install and weighs less than 10 pounds.
 
I understand everybody's motivation to find an answer to these accidents, I just don't see that it could be practical. CVR's would only be practical in multi crew environments. If I have an emergency and I'm flying solo I highly doubt I'll be talking into the CVR to explain my actions. It would work in some situations, just not all.

That being said, I would guess that the newer engine monitors just as the JPI EDM700 could prove beneficial as long as the data survived the impact/fire.

And for the record, I'm very relaxed. :bandit:
 
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