****FAA Reauthorization Act of 2009****

ferret123 said:
thats not very nice:(

instead of putting down the future of ATC you should be glad that they're doing their best to get involved and support our future.
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Except it is about as useful as the people in my basics class speculating what is going to happen. When the subject does come up in some of our out of class discussions (instructors are forbidden from talking about union issues) we all acknowledge that stuff like the pay is likely to get better, but with a couple of exceptions, that's about as far as we go with it. Because NOBODY knows for sure, and nobody currently on the job will know until the agreement from the mediation becomes public.

Yes, it is good to take an interest in it, but spreading rumors and "he said, she said" doesn't really accomplish anything, except for creating some conversation at lunch time.
 
I heard from my sister's friend's nephew's koala bear that if you tap your heals three times while spreading rumors they come true :dunno:
 
Good news, I heard from my sisters, gay yoga instructors gynocologists' second cousin that shortly there will be an answer to all this speculation. That was confirmed by my italian cousin's retarded pet Parakeet who overheard it while standing at the window eating sunflower seeds
 
OK, we get it.... Nobody has any news yet... :deadhorse: :laff:



Hopefully NATCA or the FAA shares a nice press release with us soon...
 
ferret123 said:
so what happends if they dont come to a conclusion by then??

same nightmare as the bush administration?
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this is what natca said at the meet and greet...
the mediation team will meet again before the arbitration date. anything they cannot agree on will go to arbitration. they claim the panel of arbitrators are really good. jane garvey is one of them. probably one of the best faa administrators. and some other decent people who i cannot remember.
hopefully it'll be fair and balanced. we'll see.
 
aperfectool said:
this is what natca said at the meet and greet...
the mediation team will meet again before the arbitration date. anything they cannot agree on will go to arbitration. they claim the panel of arbitrators are really good. jane garvey is one of them. probably one of the best faa administrators. and some other decent people who i cannot remember.
hopefully it'll be fair and balanced. we'll see.
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has anything been decided on before arbitration takes over?

if not, what on earth was the point of this entire debate?
 
The end of arbitration date is here.... Hopefully we hear something today or at least by the end of the week. :popcorn:
 
jeffm1999 said:
The end of arbitration date is here.... Hopefully we hear something today or at least by the end of the week. :popcorn:
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:rotfl:
That will happen the day pigs fly.

But in all seriousness, I can't wait to see what they failed to agree on this time.
 
jeffm1999 said:
The end of arbitration date is here.... Hopefully we hear something today or at least by the end of the week. :popcorn:
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It's been delayed, of course! As posted on SM, here's Forrey's update from last week.

National Office Update for the Week of June 15, 2009


Sisters and Brothers

Before I get into the latest information that can be shared, I wish to again say thanks to the hard working members of our contract negotiation team. The time, energy, passion, heart and selflessness displayed by contract team members is truly what being union is all about.

Thank you, Garth, Andrew, Scot, Barry, Dean, Rick, Bryan, Bob, Steve, Don, Jeff and Eugene. It has been an honor.

I realize everyone is very anxious for details concerning each article that has been tentatively agreed to and what few items have not and why. That information will be known very soon, but due to a couple of recent developments the specifics will not and cannot be made public just yet.

First, the arbitration scheduled for June 22nd and 23rd has been postponed. It is being rescheduled, with the next potential date being June 29th; we should know definitively by tomorrow. The rationale for the delay is attributable to a few reasons. Most notable is that one of the mediators George Cohen, will be nominated by the Administration this week for the position of Director of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (FMCS), and will recuse himself from the hearing scheduled on June 22nd and 23rd. Per the parties’ process agreement, the remaining members of the mediation panel have selected a new member to replace him.

We were notified that the mediators chose Dana Ichen on Friday. Because of this new development, and the fact that the parties’ have had scant time to negotiate pay, I believe additional time to bring the new mediator up to speed on our position while we continue to negotiate pay issues would provide our members with the best chance to reach an agreement or prevail in arbitration if that became necessary.

Because of the delay in the potential hearing, our agreement with the mediators, and a motion passed by the Executive Board, I cannot give too many details on what has been agreed to and the specifics of each article. The last thing I want to do is jeopardize the outcome of these negotiations in the final days. That said there are a few general items that have been cleared for discussion that should help give everyone a glimpse into how positive of a process this has been for us.

From day one, there has been marked difference in how the parties’ approached these negotiations. In four weeks the parties have TAU’d a total of 113 articles and 8 MOU’s. Of the articles that remain open, three are tied to pay, with annual leave (A24) and National/Regional representation (A3) rounding out a total of five. This new contract will be characterized as just that, a new contract; neither white book or green book.

While we continue to have some fundamental differences on a few items, the work completed thus far and the change in process to address the remaining differences is something every member in this union can be proud of. It was a very long road to arrive at this point, and I believe a fair and just contract that we can agree to and ratify is almost a reality. We will continue to work the remaining issues with the hope that the parties’ can reach a voluntarily agreement on every article left on the table before we arbitrate.

I assure you all that details will be posted the moment we have completed the process.



Pat Forrey
President
NATCA
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Awesome, thanks for relaying that info to us.

However, I am shocked that the government would delay something like this....:laff:

Hopefully we hear something soon!
 
Apparently, people don't understand the concept of arbitration. By definition, arbitration will end with a new contract. It is my understanding that NATCA and the FAA have been negotiating a deal. If the arbitration date comes and a contract has not been reached, it goes to arbitration, which means that anything not agreed on, will be decided instead by a panel of arbitrators, and not either side. According to a previous post, arbitration is now scheduled to occur tentatively on June 29th.

I do not know the specifics of how the arbitration panel was selected, but I do know that the mutual agreement to submit to arbitration instead of having a labor impasse is a good thing, and will ensure that controllers have a contract in the future, and will not have to work under forced labor rules, as they have been since 2006.
 
greg1016 said:
Apparently, people don't understand the concept of arbitration. By definition, arbitration will end with a new contract. It is my understanding that NATCA and the FAA have been negotiating a deal. If the arbitration date comes and a contract has not been reached, it goes to arbitration, which means that anything not agreed on, will be decided instead by a panel of arbitrators, and not either side. According to a previous post, arbitration is now scheduled to occur tentatively on June 29th.

I do not know the specifics of how the arbitration panel was selected, but I do know that the mutual agreement to submit to arbitration instead of having a labor impasse is a good thing, and will ensure that controllers have a contract in the future, and will not have to work under forced labor rules, as they have been since 2006.
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Nice post Greg! It's nice to see people who believe rather than guys with no hope. Let's hope this is finally over.
 
The only cause for concern I see is that one of the arbitrators (who served as a mediator prior to arbitration) has recused themselves from the panel, meaning he will be replaced by someone who wasn't there for the entire process.
 
greg1016 said:
The only cause for concern I see is that one of the arbitrators (who served as a mediator prior to arbitration) has recused themselves from the panel, meaning he will be replaced by someone who wasn't their for the entire process.
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It's time to kick back, relax, and :beer: while we wait...
 
greg1016 said:
can we bring it back to this thread please and stop using redundant threads?
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As FAA reauthorization and contract negotiations are two very separate issues, I think two threads are needed.

Keep in mind that even if we get our contract we still need the Reauthorization to pass. If it does not, IWR can be imposed again with future negotiations. The loophole in the law needs to be closed so that a future Bush like administration cannot do what was done to us in 2006 legally.

Please remember, the 2006 IWRs were immoral not illegal.
 
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