Republic buying Frontier

Clocks said:
I think I'll just look into my crystal ball and predict with confidence that nothing good will come from this.
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You're probably right.

Seriously, name the last merger that worked well. Remember how they were talking about how great the AOL-Time Warner merger was going to be? How'd that work out?

And Citi, the biggest basket case of all the banks, is the result of dozens of mergers. How's that working?

Anytime you see the word "synergies" in a press release, you know the M&A guys are making a boatload of money, and the companies that are merging are going right in the toilet.
 
Timbuff10 said:
I keep seeing this talk about RAH pilots demanding this and that... What leverage do they have to make these demands? Your only real weapon is to strike and as far as I know, you are not allowed to do that, not that any large airline would do it anyway.

The only time a demand works is when you have the ability to walk or force someone to walk. As example, check that letter that all the F9 pilots got. RAH is demanding scope relief. Does anyone think that they eventually won't get what they want? F9 pilots have two options, give in, or watch someone else fly their planes. Those are the type of people that you can demand things from. Not an airline that holds all the leverage.
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Who says we can't strike? If we strike we could shut this place down in a heart beat. I will not be surprised if this next TA comes to a strike vote. Im pretty sure the UA, DL, CO, US, AA codeshares would be pretty pissed if management let it get to a point of striking. Hopefully the new NMB will lean more towards labor and possibly release us. Also the 99+ seat aircraft will require a new pay scale. If we can't come to an agreement on that then we could potentially strike.

As much as some on here and most on other message boards think of us as management loving spineless pilots I don't think that we are going to lay down and take 37 bucks an hour to fly a 100+ seat jet. If we do I will go back to bar tending and make more money than I am now. If BB wants to play with the big dogs then his checkbook better be ready to pay like the big dogs. At least he is putting his money where his mouth is and isn't just leaching off the mainling partners.

Also heard a rumor from the #1 man himself that one of the legacys will go bankrupt in the next 12 months. I don't know if hes just feeding us a line but thats what he said...
 
Doug Taylor said:
Now if the negotiators get SJS or fail to realize that this is probably the most important contract in over a decade, a few guys in a room that lost their resolve will screw us all.

This is huge and they've got to realize it. If they screw this up, it pretty much wrecks any chance that we have at other mainline carriers of getting pay and work rules back to where they should be.
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god forbid they get to the point the get the opportunity to fly frontier's airplanes. they clearly have sjs or they wouldn't be working there to begin with.

you are depending on the people who were willing to take 20k a year to fly an rj to not accept 40k a year to fly an airbus.
 
Baronman said:
I wonder if Frontier FOs are going be on the "FO Payrate" scale at CHQ?
;-)
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I hope not, that is all we need.

SpiraMirabilis said:
It's triggering Frontier's acquisition clause too, so I don't know about that.
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It will be interesting to see how much legal room is in there for the lawyers to use and how many back door deals go down. Don't be surprised if you start hearing RAH demanding to fly the Airbus.

SpiraMirabilis said:
I can't tell if BB is really smart or really stupid.
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Smart unfortunately, I can't stand him or Heller.

Kingairer said:
Ive met a few too that i wanted to slap
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I've met too many myself. Seems to be mostly the younger crowd with SJS. The more senior guys are pretty nice.

Polar742 said:
Before everyone gets their panties in a wad over an internet forum post, re read my posts from the NMB Merger Protocols, the CHQ CBA merger protocols, the following RAH scope, and I can't get it to post, but the F9 CBA (which in BK may not be too much of an issue).

It's time to WORK TOGETHER to make the RAH contract the major level contract it should be. Not start pointing fingers.

This is may be the ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO
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I agree, unfortunately I don't see a lot of working together happening between all the pilot groups. I hope I am proven wrong on this one.


Doug Taylor said:
Well, you're at the head of the arrow right now.

What your union leadership does is going to affect not only other regionals, but for better or worse, roll uphill to the majors.

If they drop the ball, there's going to be nowhere to fall back to and nowhere to move up higher on the food chain.

If your union leadership doesn't have the fear of grog in them, you're not trying hard enough! :)
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If history holds true in RAH mergers/acquisitions the acquired airline employees get screwed out of pay and/or jobs.
 
SoCalAprch said:
Who says we can't strike? If we strike we could shut this place down in a heart beat. I will not be surprised if this next TA comes to a strike vote. Im pretty sure the UA, DL, CO, US, AA codeshares would be pretty pissed if management let it get to a point of striking. Hopefully the new NMB will lean more towards labor and possibly release us. Also the 99+ seat aircraft will require a new pay scale. If we can't come to an agreement on that then we could potentially strike.

As much as some on here and most on other message boards think of us as management loving spineless pilots I don't think that we are going to lay down and take 37 bucks an hour to fly a 100+ seat jet. If we do I will go back to bar tending and make more money than I am now. If BB wants to play with the big dogs then his checkbook better be ready to pay like the big dogs. At least he is putting his money where his mouth is and isn't just leaching off the mainling partners.

Also heard a rumor from the #1 man himself that one of the legacys will go bankrupt in the next 12 months. I don't know if hes just feeding us a line but thats what he said...
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The thing is though, everyone in the world knows there will be no strike so that is not even a weapon that can be used.

As for a major declaring bankruptcy... That's not news. All that means is they are trying to get concessions from various cost centers such as the employees. This has been going on for some time now. Nothing new here.
 
gne in prog said:
god forbid they get to the point the get the opportunity to fly frontier's airplanes. they clearly have sjs or they wouldn't be working there to begin with.

you are depending on the people who were willing to take 20k a year to fly an rj to not accept 40k a year to fly an airbus.
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You haven't a clue. I'm willing to bet you're just mimicking what you've heard and read. Trust me, this pilot group is ready to set the record straight.
 
falconvalley said:
You haven't a clue. I'm willing to bet you're just mimicking what you've heard and read. Trust me, this pilot group is ready to set the record straight.
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what part do i not have a clue on? the starting pay? or my lack of faith in the group that accepts that pay level to fly an rj?
 
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