Republic buying Frontier

The Airbus, if transfered to RAH would require a new pay rate and I can't see anyone demanding anything less than the Frontier guys are making. As for replacing the Airbus with 190s, which is more likely, when we vote in a decent pay rate it will negate the cost benifit.
 
SoCalAprch said:
If anything this Frontier deal will help us negotiate higher pay and make it inefficient to keep replacing mainline jobs with regional pay....

...The Airbus, if transfered to RAH would require a new pay rate and I can't see anyone demanding anything less than the Frontier guys are making. As for replacing the Airbus with 190s, which is more likely, when we vote in a decent pay rate it will negate the cost benifit.
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Your heart and mindset is in the right place (at least for the good of a Republic pilot), but there is no way that is going to happen. The select few who manage to get Airbus seats may get slightly higher pay than they were before in flying those RJs but it will be no where near what the F9 guys are currently getting.

If you think demanding the same pay that the F9 guys are getting is going to work, then why didn't the Republic pilots do that yesterday or the day before?

Republic isn't going to give out any more money than the HAVE to and just because they bought F9, that isn't going to change one bit.
 
SoCalAprch said:
The Airbus, if transfered to RAH would require a new pay rate and I can't see anyone demanding anything less than the Frontier guys are making. As for replacing the Airbus with 190s, which is more likely, when we vote in a decent pay rate it will negate the cost benifit.
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Yeah, because that worked so well when Republic swallowed Midwest.

Your heart is in the right place man, but realism dictates a need to see things from a worst-case scenario and approach it from them.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Your heart is in the right place man, but realism dictates a need to see things from a worst-case scenario and approach it from them.
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Not even that, approach it like a business decision and that is how it WILL be done. Unfortunately that probably means worst case scenario in terms of what goes in a pilot's pay check.
 
So what do you all suppose we do? Sit back and cry about the industry changing? Just keep whining and do nothing to help. The only leverage we have is pay. But if you guys are so full of ideas I'm sure we at RAH would be happy to hear em.
 
SoCalAprch said:
So what do you all suppose we do? Sit back and cry about the industry changing? Just keep whining and do nothing to help. The only leverage we have is pay. But if you guys are so full of ideas I'm sure we at RAH would be happy to hear em.
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Well, you're at the head of the arrow right now.

What your union leadership does is going to affect not only other regionals, but for better or worse, roll uphill to the majors.

If they drop the ball, there's going to be nowhere to fall back to and nowhere to move up higher on the food chain.

If your union leadership doesn't have the fear of grog in them, you're not trying hard enough! :)
 
RAH Pilots.... you will have the full support of all the important people (the whiners on APC don't count), as long as you grab the bull by the balls and demand mainline rates for mainline frames. And don't hose your FOs.... that's just a start.... what to do with the Frontier and Midwest guys.... :dunno: don't know....
 
I keep seeing this talk about RAH pilots demanding this and that... What leverage do they have to make these demands? Your only real weapon is to strike and as far as I know, you are not allowed to do that, not that any large airline would do it anyway.

The only time a demand works is when you have the ability to walk or force someone to walk. As example, check that letter that all the F9 pilots got. RAH is demanding scope relief. Does anyone think that they eventually won't get what they want? F9 pilots have two options, give in, or watch someone else fly their planes. Those are the type of people that you can demand things from. Not an airline that holds all the leverage.
 
cencal83406 said:
RAH Pilots.... you will have the full support of all the important people (the whiners on APC don't count), as long as you grab the bull by the balls and demand mainline rates for mainline frames. And don't hose your FOs.... that's just a start.... what to do with the Frontier and Midwest guys.... :dunno: don't know....
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:yeahthat:
 
Timbuff10 said:
I keep seeing this talk about RAH pilots demanding this and that... What leverage do they have to make these demands? Your only real weapon is to strike and as far as I know, you are not allowed to do that, not that any large airline would do it anyway.
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The company wants relief in a number of areas. They can't just simply take it. They have to negotiate to make the whole Bride of Frankenstein work.

Now if the negotiators get SJS or fail to realize that this is probably the most important contract in over a decade, a few guys in a room that lost their resolve will screw us all.

This is huge and they've got to realize it. If they screw this up, it pretty much wrecks any chance that we have at other mainline carriers of getting pay and work rules back to where they should be.
 
Timbuff10 said:
I keep seeing this talk about RAH pilots demanding this and that... What leverage do they have to make these demands? Your only real weapon is to strike and as far as I know, you are not allowed to do that, not that any large airline would do it anyway.

The only time a demand works is when you have the ability to walk or force someone to walk. As example, check that letter that all the F9 pilots got. RAH is demanding scope relief. Does anyone think that they eventually won't get what they want? F9 pilots have two options, give in, or watch someone else fly their planes. Those are the type of people that you can demand things from. Not an airline that holds all the leverage.
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The pilots can't do anything about it. They will take the blame, some will call them scabs, refusal of jumpseats, agendas, whatever. Most RAH pilots won't be doing anything anyways, there are not that many pilot groups out there that would refuse any flying, even if it means putting major pilots out of work.

They will try to get major rates or whatever but let's all face reality, RAH is taking over Midwest and Frontier BECAUSE THEY ARE A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER. What possible benefit would it have for RAH management to grant industry standard E190 and Airbus rates regardless of which senioirity list flys them? It defeats the whole purpose of why they're doing this in the first place. The way I look at it, the toilet has already been flushed.

Some airlines will probably try to strike but it certainly won't be Republic pilots, that's a guarantee. They have been appeasers the day the signed on the contract to bring all the alter egos under one seniority list with a 37 dollar max FO pay for up to 99 seats. What do people expect out them now??
 
Doug Taylor said:
The company wants relief in a number of areas. They can't just simply take it. They have to negotiate to make the whole Bride of Frankenstein work.

Now if the negotiators get SJS or fail to realize that this is probably the most important contract in over a decade, a few guys in a room that lost their resolve will screw us all.

This is huge and they've got to realize it. If they screw this up, it pretty much wrecks any chance that we have at other mainline carriers of getting pay and work rules back to where they should be.
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Change your "ifs" to "whens" and you have yourself a crystal ball there.

I get what you are saying Doug. I think we all know how this thing will go down and Republic just bet a boatload of money that they know how it will happen too.
 
The employees can make or break a company. It's not that hard to break it. Management knows this. It's really all about what the employee groups at RAH think of all this. This RAH furloughee is ready to negotiate. I've stared down senior leadership in the military and I can stare down management at an airline. I hope RAH's EXCO is thinking what I'm thinking, because right now, all I can do other than help rally the "troops" is sit and watch.
 
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