FAA Chief Will Draft Rules to Address Fatigue
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phoenix 23684
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You seriously think/believe that ALPA is to thank for this??? I personally think they simply jumped on the waggon after the crash to claim glory. I only say this because ALPA has been around for the entire history of commuter airlines or most majors for that matter and what has happen to the industry???
All ALPA National cares about is collecting dues so they can keep their extremely high paying jobs!!
CoffeeIcePapers
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That's the impression I get, from the outside looking in. An antiquated union with relatively little power to do anything, that likes to piss on the people below. Again, that is my uneducated opinion.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Yes, obviously.
Have you ever heard of ALPA's One Level of Safety campaign that started in the '90s and eventually eliminated part 135 rules from being used in regional operations? That was a huge victory, and it's probably saved a great many lives since then. ALPA has been working to improve safety at the regionals for a long time, and they've done a lot of good.
Pure ignorance. Regional carriers like Colgan cost ALPA more money than they bring in in dues. Representing regionals is a money losing proposition for ALPA. As far as "high paying jobs" at ALPA, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
Screaming_Emu
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Well with work rules as awesome as they are at regionals its TOTALLY working.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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One Level of Safety had nothing to do with your contractual work rules. It was about regulatory guidelines that allowed airlines like ASA to operate under different rules than the larger airlines. ALPA successfully put an end to that. You want to go back to part 135 flight/duty time limits?
Matt13C
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To get back on topic, if Babbitt makes stricter rest rules, including limiting the number of legs flown in a day, total hours flown and total hours on duty, it will certainly increase the bottom line for regionals. Combine that with the FAA pushing for the majors to have more involvement in the training of pilots they outsource flying to, could this result in more flying coming back to the Majors?
Tram
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It's a good thing it only took ALPA 20+ years to realize a 15 hour duty day with an 8 hour over night was too much..
Matt13C
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I watched the hearing the aviation subcommittee had on regionals and workforce issues back on the 11th. In it they discuss this very issue. Going off of what Prater said at the hearing, ALPA was successful for many years at bargaining down the number of allowable hours. It was not until the multiple bankruptcies and finally 9/11 invalidated all the old contracts and forced concessions from pilots that got us to this point. Now, ALPA is pushing for work rule changes to be implemented that are regulatory, taking them off the table and out of managements control.
If my limited understanding of this issue is correct, Id say that ALPS is acting exactly as it should and should have the support of all pilots.
Tram
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Wow.. You were able to say all that and not call my ability to chew gum and walk at the same time into question.. Bravo.. Thanks for a civil reply..
I support ALPA.. Ive never said I didn't support ALPA.. I've actually stated that I am glad to have ALPA around.. Go back to my first or second post in this thread..
What I don't have is support that is not unflinching nor an undying devotion to ALPA.. If I see something that seems amiss with ALPA (especially my local MEC) I am going to comment on it whether or not I have put in 1 minute of volunteer time.. What doesn't help ALPA is when the ALPA zealots attack an ALPA supporter for not having undying devotion to ALPA..
I am not willing to volunteer for ALPA.. I simply am not going to give my days off to do it.. It's that simple.. If there was a position I could fill while at work, I'd be all for it..That should not make me an OUTCAST to those who run ALPA...
I am a member of several clubs, and we have "work days." You can either a.) show up and work or b.) pay a set amount and not have to work.. With my schedule at work, I cannot often make the "work days." So I gladly pay the "work day fees" since I am unable to make the work days.. My fellow club members don't feel the need to look down upon me due to the fact that I am ubable come out and work..
I pay my dues at ALPA.. I am 100% as much a valid member of ALPA as ANY volunteer.. Velo and ATL-Pilot included.. You guys are NO different than me and if you feel you are, you need to step off your high horse..
What burns me up is the attitude that MANY of the ALPA members have towards FELLOW members who do not live, eat and drink ALPA..
BillErvin
Peddling as fast as I can
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
So, just how much do the union leaders make?
About what they'd make as a senior captain flying the line.
The red herring that everybody always throws in involves reimbursement for various expenses related to living and working out of DC instead of where ever they would be based if they were still flying.
There are *some* guys out there that royally abuse their union position and make money they really shouldn't be, but the vast majority, especially the executive leadership isn't really coming out ahead financially.