Cleared to Land, Runway 19L.

Some of the worst guys to learn the little things from are 121 guys. We will fly 7 legs in a day, and by leg 5 you are getting tired and short cutting things, and radio calls is a perfect example. Ill often leave off the company name and just use the flight number, then Ill think to myself "that wasnt smart." But its the fatigue getting to you.

I dont know how many times at IAD we have been cleared to land on a different runway than assigned, and now there are 3 parallel runways. Reading back the runway is neccessary.
 
v1valarob said:
Some of the worst guys to learn the little things from are 121 guys. We will fly 7 legs in a day, and by leg 5 you are getting tired and short cutting things, and radio calls is a perfect example. Ill often leave off the company name and just use the flight number, then Ill think to myself "that wasnt smart." But its the fatigue getting to you.

I dont know how many times at IAD we have been cleared to land on a different runway than assigned, and now there are 3 parallel runways. Reading back the runway is neccessary.
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The real good thing is that you personally recognize when you're performance may be waning due to fatigue, and then take the necessary steps to mitigate it.

Many people don't even realize when they're succumbing to the the insidious nature of fatigue.
 
If you don't read back the runway assignment at Gateway they will question you to verify. Takes up to much air time.

Some things taught by the large flight schools makes me angry. Transpac always does their run ups at the hold short line. They seem surprised when tower lets us go around them. I'm not waiting for them to finish and neither does the tower.
 
RWH1986 said:
Some things taught by the large flight schools makes me angry. Transpac always does their run ups at the hold short line. They seem surprised when tower lets us go around them. I'm not waiting for them to finish and neither does the tower.
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In between trying to understand what the hell any TransPac plane is saying over the radio.....or the 30+ seconds of mike-keyed time they take to transmit the non-understandable gobbldygook.
 
I give you ATC guys ALOT of credit. I fortunately had an EX-ATC guys teach me my instrument rating(Guy was out of Bangor, Maine). I learned real quick proper phrasology. And in the end I feel like a more professional pilot. Things stick out way more than they used to.

AKA, Are you with someone at 5 thousand? just say 4 thousand climbing 6 thousand. The whole with you is redundent, We make fun of pilots for saying that.

Other things, Ohh, take off. Cessna 12345 ready for takeoff runway 5, holding short on Alpha or some contrived thing. Unless ATC specifies to give your location, just say, Cessna 12345 ready for departure on tower. They know the actives, and are sitting next to the ground controller.

Whole bunch of stuff actually. Been teaching my friend, and he gave this whole spew once. "Tower Cessna 12345 ready for takeoff holding short of runway 5 have atis, request to remain in the pattern" Ahh hell. lol. From then I took over the radios, he's gotten better. He didnt know "busy" on the radios until I took him down to ATL airspace. Thats busy. Keep the airwaves clear of clutter.
 
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I've always been taught that your way is correct. The other guy's way opens the door up to a whole slew of other problems (landing on the wrong runway, to name one) , because there's no redundancy in the readback.

As a 121 guy, I have to agree. I read back everything, unless told to respond with a callsign only. Why? I want it on the tape. It's a CYA both for the controller and me to catch any discrepencies. If people think it's too anal, too bad.
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I have to agree, it covers everyone.
 
This reminds me of a funny exchange I had not long ago. 2 airplanes on freq a PC12 and an MD80 late one dead weekend night. "Hey approach, question if you have time (no callsign given)" Me: "XYZ1234 go ahead" XYZ1234 "Yeah I was just wondering if...wait, how'd you know it was me?" Me: "XYZ1234 I've got two airplanes, a PC12 and an MD80 on frequency and you don't sound like there is a prop in front of you". Moments later with a funny sound in the background and this time a different voice "Approach are you showing any weather on our route?" Me: "Negative XYZ1234". XYZ1234 "Howd you know it was me?" Me: "The PC12 pilot is a woman sir, by the way what was that funny sound in the background?" XYZ1234 "I put my FO to work." Thats when I realized the funny sound was a person flapping their lips imitating a prop spinning.
 
genot said:
This reminds me of a funny exchange I had not long ago. 2 airplanes on freq a PC12 and an MD80 late one dead weekend night. "Hey approach, question if you have time (no callsign given)" Me: "XYZ1234 go ahead" XYZ1234 "Yeah I was just wondering if...wait, how'd you know it was me?" Me: "XYZ1234 I've got two airplanes, a PC12 and an MD80 on frequency and you don't sound like there is a prop in front of you". Moments later with a funny sound in the background and this time a different voice "Approach are you showing any weather on our route?" Me: "Negative XYZ1234". XYZ1234 "Howd you know it was me?" Me: "The PC12 pilot is a woman sir, by the way what was that funny sound in the background?" XYZ1234 "I put my FO to work." Thats when I realized the funny sound was a person flapping their lips imitating a prop spinning.
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That's awesome! :rawk:
 
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Am I in the wrong? I just feel that at a training airport more positive confirmation on what is to be performed the better, since it's not just the pilots that might make a mistake, but also the training contollers. But I've now been dragged in twice by this gentleman in about 6 weeks about my students radio technique.
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Sounds like he doesn't like the check/double check procedures, either. I wonder if he'll be dragging you in next week to ask you why your students are walking around the plane and inspecting it before they fly.
 
Read back all hold short instructions and runway assignments. Advise on initial contact you have information Delta.

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