Better start your flight training soon...
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HeyEng
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I'm a union guy just as much as the next. Just makes me sick this idea of reducing the pilot pool by jacking the cost for those coming up. How bout increasing the qualifications to be a copilot in a 121/135 airplane? I don't see how reducing the pilot pool by costs will be a good thing. All you'll have is a bunch of rich kids who think they are some elite group because they are commercial pilots. What a BS idea. Makes me sick....
SIUav8er
Narcosis
Wow, attacks on someone's character, what a logical way to advance an argument.
I missed that, could you quote a personal attack on anyone here?
HeyEng
Well-Known Member
You nailed it on the head. Unions have in the past (and to some extend today) bettered a-many industries, but lately they are doing a damn good job destroying them. I think the end result will be lots of GA people not asking for flight following and making things much more dangerous than it already is. The answer is already there...STOP diverting funds into other areas!!!
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
Mmmm...sausage....fingers.....
nkoenig
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LOL!!
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
The origins of aviation. Hence the reasoning that older guys (and the ones that want to be like them) all think they deserve 300g's a year.
The only part of the airspace that needs help is where the hub and spoke airlines are trying to jam too many airplanes into too little pavement. The rest of the system works just fine, thank you very much.
Maybe you guys should solve your own problems instead of trying to dump it off on the rest of us.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Ahh...I've got bad news for you; most of us here didn't exactly come from the slums.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Speak for yourself. I wasn't from the slums, but I sure as hell wasn't from the suburbs.
Goonie
Never say die
Velocipede
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So, lets START the discussion with a slam at ALPA. There are plenty of dues paying airline pilots that are opposed to this. I'm just not one of them. So let's not tar ALPA with this kind of smear.
Agreed. The "big deal" seems to be the GA attitude of entitlement is on display for all to see. Fatcats and bigwigs whining about user fees and the FLAPS falling right into line to protect their entitlement.
That's why I bought a Vmax. If you can afford an airplane and fuel, then find a way to afford the fees for using the ATC system. If you can't, fly VFR and stay out of controlled airspace. I'll bet you can find PLENTY of that around the U.S.
Heck, go to Alaska. GA is alive and well up north. Pat can show you around.
Because we are Americans and we shouldn't have to pay for anything that is so darn expensive. Also we are drama queens
Its a question of allocating resources. If FLAPing around in your Cessna is that important, give up something else.
Frankly, its about time. Talk about a WASTE of money and energy resources. "Hey, let's fire up the Piper and fly to Missoula for a burger."
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
Well, if you KNEW anything about airspace management, you'd know the airspace around NYC knits ALL the airports together. So what happens at JFK, LGA and EWR is also effected by TEB, HPN and all the GA airports in the area. So, the answer to your smartass question is...plenty.
Actually, yes. We pretty much went where we wanted to in South Texas. Perhaps GA should move their training sites to places like that instead of South Florida, etc.
Yeah, I will. The 135s will either pass the charges on to the customers or go out of business. But, the checks have to move, so I'm thinking the former rather than the latter.
Your anger and bitterness destroys any little measure of credibility you ever had.
Again, another gratuitous slam at ALPA. In addition, its a personal attack on a guy who has proven to be probably the MOST selfless guy on this website. He put EVERYTHING on the line to organize Colgan and then IMMEDIATELY got thrown into the fire of the worst commercial aviation accident in the last 7 years. Just because he doesn't support YOUR agenda.
YOU owe Seggy an apology.
In the courtroom that is called, "Assuming a fact not in evidence." It reflects lazy logical thinking.
Your political tirade aside, if you own an airplane, you've allocated your resources to do so. I guess you'll have to remain VFR if you don't want to participate in the NAS. If you do, pay up.
I LOVE this who "PUL" argument. If you believe the theory of supply and demand, a reduction in the pilot pool WOULD help raise wages of currently employed pilots. However, the industry doesn't work that way. And unless you're an incredible neophyte, you would know that.
Great. A gratuitous "Grandad" slam at ALPA. That REALLY bolsters your "argument".
Sure it will help. Get the FLAPS out of the NAS. Come out and fly a couple days around SNA. If you had more experience on a national/international level, you'd understand that. I would think you'd have some inkling even with your limited experience.
Wow, attacks on someone's character, what a logical way to advance an argument.
Its the last refuge of scoundrels who are scared poopless that their free ride is over.
Again, "Fact not in evidence." The upside is that it may HELP military aviation recruiting. Ever consider that?
Yep. If you want it bad enough, you'll find a way. If you want to own a GA airplane you'll find a way. If you can't afford it, find another "sport."
There you go. And you found a way to get your licenses. Doctors find ways to finance their educations. Why do you think pilot students deserve government/airline subsidies for the services they use?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
How about rather than DOOOOOMMMM articles, they urge people to write to their Congressmen in order to make sure those people are aware of how their constituents want them to vote. If AOPA says "We don't like it," odds are pretty good Congress won't care. If someone says "You're likely to not get re-elected," they tend to pay attention. AOPA would, it seems, rather get their members in a furor rather than go about this the logical way. Although, during my time as an AOPA member, as long as the membership dues and money for the "Zero to Hero" glossy ads kept rolling in, they were happy.
I don't owe Mark crap. If he gets his panties in a wad about that comment he'll tell me, he doesn't need you to speak for him. I however owe myself a break from the ridiculous cirlce jerk this place has become as of late. Too much heartburn over people i hope i never have to share a cockpit with....
Goonie
Never say die
Velo,
You have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to GA! You should educate yourself more before you start typing.
You should go out to your local airport and take a ride in one of these "FLAPS". You might actually enjoy flying an airplane for once.
Also, your cute little terms like FLAPS and SNAPS make me angry. Not because they offend me in any way, but they are just not clever or funny. You and your buddies can do better than that.
You have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to GA! You should educate yourself more before you start typing.
You should go out to your local airport and take a ride in one of these "FLAPS". You might actually enjoy flying an airplane for once.
Also, your cute little terms like FLAPS and SNAPS make me angry. Not because they offend me in any way, but they are just not clever or funny. You and your buddies can do better than that.
kiloalpha
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I wrote mine a couple months ago when this became an apparent problem. I will probably write again soon. Oh and Kellwolf, you forgot the (tm) :buck:
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
It is obvious that velocipede is on a quest to be the most misinformed bag in all of professional aviation.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
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