ATP Requirements

flymo

flymo

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Do the 500 hours of cross-country time required for an ATP have to consist of legs greater than 50 NM or can it be point to point like the Part 135 requirements?
 
There is no such thing as "Part 135 XC". The point to point you are referring to comes from part 61.

There doesn't actually have to be a landing for the ATP XC requirements. So, for example, if you fly 50nm away from your destination, but never land, it counts towards the ATP.

61.1

(3) Cross-country time means--
[(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during a flight--]
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
[(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under Sec. 61.101(c), time acquired during a flight--]
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
[(iii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate (except for powered parachute privileges), time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that-
(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(iv) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate with powered parachute privileges or a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute category rating, time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that -
(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 15 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point. ]
(v) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for any pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category rating or an instrument-helicopter rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges, in a rotorcraft, under Sec. 61.101(c), time acquired during a flight--
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight--
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
(vii) For a military pilot who qualifies for a commercial pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating) under Sec. 61.73 of this part, time acquired during a flight--
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
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Ok, but looking closer, 61.1 (b)(3)(i) says "except as provided in paragraphs...(b)(3)(vi) of this section...."

Then looking at 61.1 (b)(3)(vi), it specifies that it must be a straight line distance 50 NM from the original point of departure.

So does that mean it still counts if you fly 50 NM away from the destination and not land?

Edit: I see you answered my question above.
 
Thats correct. Only for the ATP certificate you have to fly 50NM away from point of departure but do not actually have to land there. I am not sure how you would log it without landing. Maybe in the remarks section of your logbook put "flew farther then 50NM" That just seems so sketchy in my eyes and im using as much "landing farther than 50NM" as I can, if I fall short of the time, I might be doing flights farther then 50 really quick. I'd like to get it on my 23rd birthday, Happy Birthday to myself :bandit:
 
TheAviator737 said:
Thats correct. Only for the ATP certificate you have to fly 50NM away from point of departure but do not actually have to land there. I am not sure how you would log it without landing. Maybe in the remarks section of your logbook put "flew farther then 50NM" That just seems so sketchy in my eyes and im using as much "landing farther than 50NM" as I can, if I fall short of the time, I might be doing flights farther then 50 really quick. I'd like to get it on my 23rd birthday, Happy Birthday to myself :bandit:
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You could make a new column or something. I believe the intent was to allow military guys that might fly to another country and never land to be able to apply that time towards the ATP.
 
TheAviator737 said:
I am not sure how you would log it without landing.
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Write an identifiable point in the "TO" column where you normaly put an airport.

It could be an airport over which you flew, or a navaid, or a written town name, or even lat/long. The "TO" column is not a landing column, there's another column for that.
 
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