New Cessna seating configuration...What?

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LAKELAND, Fla., April 21, 2009 - Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company, announced today the option to order a new Skyhawk with the Crew/Cockpit Resource Management (CRM) training seat. A Skyhawk with the CRM configuration is on display at Cessna’s exhibit at the Sun ’n Fun Fly-In in Lakeland, Fla.

The CRM training seat is a single, forward facing seat positioned aft and center of the pilot and co-pilot seats.
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So, they finally reduced the useful load of the 172 so much with all the extra gadgets and gizmos, that they decided to take a seat out.

Thoughts?
 
i've never flown in one before. Isn't it a pretty much a three seater any way. In our DA-40 you can barely have three people with full fuel (they have to be on the lighter side).
 
I really don't see the point.
How many CFIs here are flying around with a second student in the back seat?
mmmmm, thoughts of double dipping...

I think if you really want 27 less pounds, don't lug around five hours of gas.
 
Yeah, it's been a long time since the 172 was a real four-seater. Ours weigh 1710 empty with a max gross weight of 2450. A lot of it is due to G1000 stuff and the newer heavy-duty seats.

However, an older (mid-80s) one can weigh about 1400 lbs empty, and with an STC can go up to 2550 gross weight. So says a friend of mine who owned a part-share in one.

The CFI and student will be in their normal places, but there will only be one rear seat, and it will be in the middle in the back, rather than on one side.
 
Roger said:
The CFI and student will be in their normal places, but there will only be one rear seat, and it will be in the middle in the back, rather than on one side.
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Sounds like they finally got realistic with the capibilities of the Hawk.
 
They pull out the bench seat and just stick another bucket seat in the middle of where the back row used to be. Sorta weird looking, and the rear bucket is quite low to the floor.

When I saw it at a Cessna sales event, they told me it was Riddle's fault... er... request.
 
It sounds like now they stick a student in the back to watch and they still charge them for instruction time when they are watching another student and CFI fly. :laff: They are paying for CRM time on their resumes
 
Douglas said:
How many CFIs here are flying around with a second student in the back seat?
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I do quite often, good way to learn and more importantly, good way to get some interesting cross countries.
 
Roger said:
I do quite often, good way to learn and more importantly, good way to get some interesting cross countries.
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:yeahthat:

While not a CFI, I have someone "observing" almost every one of my dual flights. I have never flown with a CFI that has had any problem with it.
 
Roger said:
I do quite often, good way to learn and more importantly, good way to get some interesting cross countries.
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I'm actually about to start doing it with a CFII (me in the back) so i can see how teaching instruments is done. I'm a bigger guy so we'll have to do it with less than a full tank in the DA-40.
 
SFCC/UND said:
It's the vomitting sound that scares me
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Oh man...I had a Twinstar student puke this semester while he was flying. We broke out of IMC at about 1500' AGL and then on short final he had me pull a bag out of the back seat. I landed (15G20 of xwind!) while he puked. That was a fun day. At least he hit the bag...
 
I lost my lunch on my first dual cross country as a student pilot. It was a 90 percent made it in the apple juice bottle, then the rest were scattered. Careful whoever is flying N240ND.
 
Cessnaflyer said:
It sounds like now they stick a student in the back to watch and they still charge them for instruction time when they are watching another student and CFI fly. :laff: They are paying for CRM time on their resumes
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That is right, you must pay to see this in action. :laff:
 
SFCC/UND said:
I lost my lunch on my first dual cross country as a student pilot. It was a 90 percent made it in the apple juice bottle, then the rest were scattered. Careful whoever is flying N240ND.
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hmm, never flown that one (good i think!) 238, 239, 241 and 242 but never 240
 
When I was at SFCC we had 158, 159, 240, and 241. Not sure if they are still there. It's been four years since I've been at that flight school. I heard they made some major cuts, I think they got rid of the arrow and the seminole.
 
SFCC/UND said:
When I was at SFCC we had 158, 159, 240, and 241. Not sure if they are still there. It's been four years since I've been at that flight school. I heard they made some major cuts, I think they got rid of the arrow and the seminole.
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yeah, the arrow is at main campus now.
 
I never had much luck with the "second student" thing, but I didn't try it too much since, at 150lbs, I was the designated Chickenhawk instructor. From what I remember, though, on the rare occasion I tried it, the second student either interrupted the lesson, which isn't fair to the primary student, or didn't learn much because he/she was a decent person and didn't want to interrupt with questions.
 
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