Funny Pirep

Arnie7781

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Perhaps this is common, but I've never seen it before...

RMG UA /OV RMG /TM 1705 /FL045 /TP P28A /WX FV10SM /TA 17 /TB MOD /RM DIFFICULT TO DRINK COFFEE

Well, I guess I won't be taking coffee for my afternoon lesson.
 
Perhaps this is common, but I've never seen it before...

RMG UA /OV RMG /TM 1705 /FL045 /TP P28A /WX FV10SM /TA 17 /TB MOD /RM DIFFICULT TO DRINK COFFEE

Well, I guess I won't be taking coffee for my afternoon lesson.
For some reason this strikes me as something Boris would say.:D
 
Had a pirep once from a SWA 737 in front of me that said simply "Would not try that approach again given the chance." Asked Approach to read it back to us to confirm. Hilarious.
 
I was at 7,000 today and got rocked for almost all of the 2.0 I was up. Continuous LGT-MOD turbulence. The 150knot GS did help my time though :)
 
I can't count the times I was in lt chop or smooth air behind a guy who reported mod turb or even severe. I think most pilots are too subjective when making a UA. But, "difficult to drink coffee" is meaningful.
 
I can't count the times I was in lt chop or smooth air behind a guy who reported mod turb or even severe. I think most pilots are too subjective when making a UA. But, "difficult to drink coffee" is meaningful.

When i instructed at HEF and it was a windy day there would always be a small piper or cessna reporting "severe turbulence". When the controller asked where he was it was a sure thing he was flying along a ridge and flying where the rotor clouds would have been had there been enough moisture to see them.
 
I can't count the times I was in lt chop or smooth air behind a guy who reported mod turb or even severe. I think most pilots are too subjective when making a UA. But, "difficult to drink coffee" is meaningful.
Leave a pencil on a flat area, if the pencil moves or bounces that's moderate. When you can't hold altitude that's severe. Been in severe, not at all appealing.

I don't know why it gets so subjective
 
Leave a pencil on a flat area, if the pencil moves or bounces that's moderate. When you can't hold altitude that's severe. Been in severe, not at all appealing.

I don't know why it gets so subjective
So you mean a downdraft in laminar flow which exceeds your climb capabilities could be severe? How 'bout ocassional uncommanded rolls and unable to maintain a 4,000 block alt while your teeth rattle in their sockets? And that's only moderate turb.

Refer to the AIM to see why it's subjective to each pilot's perception. (The AIM is open to wide interpretation.) Add liberal doses of CFIs not having the experience to provide quantative coorelation of what is written to what it feels like.
 
So you mean a downdraft in laminar flow which exceeds your climb capabilities could be severe? How 'bout ocassional uncommanded rolls and unable to maintain a 4,000 block alt while your teeth rattle in their sockets? And that's only moderate turb.

Refer to the AIM to see why it's subjective to each pilot's perception. (The AIM is open to wide interpretation.) Add liberal doses of CFIs not having the experience to provide quantative coorelation of what is written to what it feels like.
Aim really doesn't seem that seem that subjective to me.

If that's your definition of moderate then you need your head examined.


[SIZE=-1]Turbulence that is similar to Light Turbulence but of greater intensity. Changes in altitude and/or attitude occur but the aircraft remains in positive control at all times. It usually causes variations in indicated airspeed. Report as Moderate Turbulence; <sup>1</sup>
or
Turbulence that is similar to Light Chop but of greater intensity. It causes rapid bumps or jolts without appreciable changes in aircraft altitude or attitude. Report as Moderate Chop.<sup>1

Severe
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</td> <td class="CLASS_290" valign="top" align="justify"> [SIZE=-1]Turbulence that causes large, abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude. It usually causes large variations in indicated airspeed. Aircraft may be momentarily out of control. Report as Severe Turbulence. <sup>1</sup>[/SIZE]
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The only reason I see that not being clear is a case of machoism.
 
I would hardly say a pencil moving on the dash is moderate turb. maybe mod chop at most. And just because you cant hold altitude doesnt justify it as sever turbulance-thats a downdraft, go do some mountain flying.
 
I would hardly say a pencil moving on the dash is moderate turb. maybe mod chop at most. And just because you cant hold altitude doesnt justify it as sever turbulance-thats a downdraft, go do some mountain flying.

[SIZE=-1]Turbulence that causes large, abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude. It usually causes large variations in indicated airspeed. Aircraft may be momentarily out of control. Report as Severe Turbulence. <sup>1</sup>[/SIZE]

So Just to be clear. When you get those downdrafts you stay in them right? It's just moderate? Or is it severe and you encounter it often in the mountains and get out of it as soon as you can because you are not in control?

I'm not saying severe is so rare you'll never see it. I've seen it. I wasn't mountain flying and I couldn't hold altitude at full power at 4000ft msl. It was severe I reported it as such. When you have those awful downdrafts do you not report them and just leave them for the next guy to find? I'm not sure how cowboys do it out in the mountains, I apologize.
 
I would hardly say a pencil moving on the dash is moderate turb. maybe mod chop at most. And just because you cant hold altitude doesnt justify it as sever turbulance-thats a downdraft, go do some mountain flying.

But you are correct. I should say if the pencil bounces enough to move it away from where I left it. Generally it's braced up against some part of the avionics stack on the center pedestal. If it moves from there its time to try getting out of there.
 
I'm not trying to be macho, actually I'm trying to be very accurate. My experience has mostly been hearing guys overstate the conditions.

As for mountain flying, it's not a cowboy thing. In my opinion, the suggestion was to go into regions where you would experience conditions which are not severe but do have large up/down drafts. This is similar to my mention of mtn wave activity; huge altitude excursions but in smooth air. This deviates from your explanation of mod turb.

I've flown several times clear across the country and lots of trips across several regions. But most of my flying is in the 8 western states. All in small planes, including small taildraggers. So when you, as example, say severe I think mod or lesser. And usually I'm right because I don't experience those conditions which define severe.

Getting bounced in deep pockets or even constant buffeting is pretty typical in the west. But look at the prog charts, more often than not there will not be an Airmet for the area nor would the briefer mention mod turb for that area.

And please, don't let this thread devolve into, "You're dangerous I would never fly with you.".
 
:yeahthat:


Im not saying that downdrafts arent an adverse conditions, but i would report them as downdrafts, not turbulence. You cant paint two completely different pictures with the same brush.
 
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