Would you make this flight in a C172...
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WalterSobchak
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I must have missed all the "good" stuff. All I got from this thread was people dribbling on about flying a 172 in VFR conditions with positive air temps up past 6,000 feet.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I must have missed all the "good" stuff. All I got from this thread was people dribbling on about flying a 172 in VFR conditions with positive air temps up past 6,000 feet.
Right, you must have also missed the part with the OP has 160 hours and a fresh instrument ticket.
Now, I'm sure in your massive amount of experience, you're WAY beyond this guys level and can't possibly remember what it's like that first time you hit precip in IMC with near freezing temps, or the load that you dropped in YOUR pants when it happened, but try to give the guy some slack eh? He's attempting to learn a few things while being incredibly low time.
To be frank, you're doing nothing to further this guys education on this issue and instead are probably making him feel like a complete idiot for even asking about this. So instead of asking folks with more experience than him next time he is about to do a flight he isn't sure of, he might think of your great animated gif there and think, "Oh man, I don't want to embarass myself, I shouldn't even ask the opinion of more experienced pilots." Or in other words, you're hurting this guy later on in life.
Flying isn't exactly gum drops and flowers, but your response is juvinelle and unbecoming of a professional pilot when discussing these issues with a low time private pilot. I can't imagine what kind of captain you are to fly with if this is in fact your response to your FO's when they have a question about something in flight. I mean really, did you sleep through CRM in ground school? Or maybe you're just an internet tough guy. Who knows.
Fly_Unity
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At 160 hours its pretty wise to take a conservative approach, After I got my instrument ticket, I about freaked out when I had to descend through a small IMC layer in the DAY TIME.
A new student is taught that that possible icing can happen in up to 5 degrees positive, Its pretty wise to be conservative when you have NO experience in icing, It sure beats the new instrument student that gets his ticket and blast of into a cloud without any regard to ice like that one story in AOPA's "Never Again" here recently
casey
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but a new student should also be taught the difference between "can happen" and "is happening". When in conditions it "can happen", be extra vigilant, aware and have a plan. If it turns into "is happening" then execute that plan, whether it be climb, descend, etc.
On a 172 you have that little OAT guage you fixate on, but just on the other side of the window there is the the probe for that guage, and that is where ice is going to form before it starts on the wings. So if the OAT says its cold, stop looking at the guage and pay attention to the probe part of it outside the window and watch for the ice.
ppragman
No pasa nada.
The tires. The tires (since they are black) are the first place you will see icing if you're in it. That's what I include in my scan in fixed gear birds. BTW, sometimes things will stick to the tires that aren't sticking to the wings, so its a bit more sensitive.
PGT
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Yep that's where I look! I used a flashlight to light em up, white stuff was sticking to them so I figured it would start sticking to the wing later on.
Another note, the next airport wasn't for another ~50nm.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
You learn by doing. Just don't try to learn until you're ready to do. In your pants. But seriously. This is an example of things working as they should, he did it, he diverted, he learned something. There's nothing to see here, put down the pitchforks. Better this than winding up a statistic, or flying in VFR conditions in FL for 1000 hours and then deciding he's ready to be a 777 pilot, or (worst of all, maybe) going all the way and deciding he's invincible. Would he have made it? I dunno, I know *I* would have 
. But that's not the point. This is the education of an aviator, and he's doing it like he should, one step at a time. You done good, kid.
. But that's not the point. This is the education of an aviator, and he's doing it like he should, one step at a time. You done good, kid.
You learn by doing. Just don't try to learn until you're ready to do. In your pants. But seriously. This is an example of things working as they should, he did it, he diverted, he learned something. There's nothing to see here, put down the pitchforks. Better this than winding up a statistic, or flying in VFR conditions in FL for 1000 hours and then deciding he's ready to be a 777 pilot, or (worst of all, maybe) going all the way and deciding he's invincible. Would he have made it? I dunno, I know *I* would have
Perfect.