9L Closing IAH

brewpilot

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Ok just a rumor I overheard in the crewroom about continental getting together for a big meeting to discuss if they are going to close IAH as a base for us Colganites. I am obviously not going to believe anything until it happens, thats for any rumor. But I just wanted to see if anyone else has heard of any such thing
 
I don't think that will happen nor do I think anyone should start running around with their hair on fire because of a rumor.... if it happens it happens... but I don't think it will and I am not a fan of rumors.
 
Ok just a rumor I overheard in the crewroom about continental getting together for a big meeting to discuss if they are going to close IAH as a base for us Colganites. I am obviously not going to believe anything until it happens, thats for any rumor. But I just wanted to see if anyone else has heard of any such thing

Any idea where the rumor came from?
 
Ok just a rumor I overheard in the crewroom about continental getting together for a big meeting to discuss if they are going to close IAH as a base for us Colganites. I am obviously not going to believe anything until it happens, thats for any rumor. But I just wanted to see if anyone else has heard of any such thing

Doubt it...

IAH SAAB flying is operated on a codeshare agreement with Continental in a revenue sharing pro-rate understanding. We are not a true regional airline for CAL. We cost Continental $0.

Whereas on the Q400 we get paid for 74 seats no matter what...On the SAAB if there is no passengers, we get $0. If there is 1 passenger and they are connecting to MCO, we get like $40. It's a risky business. Which is why PNCL hates it.
 
After the memorial services a few weeks back, I was chatting with Chuck and he told me directly, the next 15 Q's for CAL will be going to IAH. Of course he could have been lying, but I believed him. I doubt they will do anything with the Saabs until we the Q's in place.
 
Which is why PNCL hates it.


Is there a clause in the agreement that allows one side to cancel the agreement? If it's a cost savings thing for PNCL, they will absolutely nix it if they can. Corporate in MEM is running around like the place is burning down around them screaming at how much money we need to cut. I say man up and admit buying all the auction rate securities was a Bad Idea, and THAT'S why we're in financial bedlam.

Question is, are they willing to close the IAH base until they get the Qs, then re-open it?

That all being said, don't believe a damn word that comes from Nonconnah Blvd until the ink is dry or the planes are gone/show up.
 
Is there a clause in the agreement that allows one side to cancel the agreement? If it's a cost savings thing for PNCL, they will absolutely nix it if they can. Corporate in MEM is running around like the place is burning down around them screaming at how much money we need to cut. I say man up and admit buying all the auction rate securities was a Bad Idea, and THAT'S why we're in financial bedlam.

Question is, are they willing to close the IAH base until they get the Qs, then re-open it?

That all being said, don't believe a damn word that comes from Nonconnah Blvd until the ink is dry or the planes are gone/show up.

You know... its a slippery slope.

They could get rid of the SAAB flying, transfer all the SAAB crews to the Q and not have to increase labor costs.
 
Pinnacle holding is looking for cash right now to move the HQ from Manassas. Apparently the deal was approved, they just dont have the cash to make the move.
 
Pinnacle holding is looking for cash right now to move the HQ from Manassas. Apparently the deal was approved, they just dont have the cash to make the move.

Holy crap, how can they not have the cash? Well supposedly 2-3 weeks and Manassas is suppose to know more. Sounding more and more like last May.
 
All the Colganites on here seem pretty anxious to spread the virus that is your Q-400 around. You should all hope to god you never get another 74 seat turbo prop to rape the industry with. I know you all desperately want to get out of Chucks hell hole, while at the same time you want to chip away at mainline scope. Colgan= bottom of the bottom feeders.
 
All the Colganites on here seem pretty anxious to spread the virus that is your Q-400 around. You should all hope to god you never get another 74 seat turbo prop to rape the industry with. I know you all desperately want to get out of Chucks hell hole, while at the same time you want to chip away at mainline scope. Colgan= bottom of the bottom feeders.

Holy cow, go to the gym man. You need to work out some of that aggression.

:bandit:
 
How many Saabs does Colgan operate out of IAH? If they are operated at no cost for Continental then what kind of money is Colgan/Pinnacle making off of the flights? I'm assuming with demand down like it is then Colgan must be losing money on this opertion..
 
Colgan makes money if the saabs have enough seats. PNCL doesn't like pro-rate deals (too much risk involved) so it wouldnt' surprise me if this one went the way of the dodo.

But then I wouldn't be surprised if they transferred some of the saabs and started doing a little more EAS work, which with the drop in oil prices is actually profitable again.
 
I thought the deals we had with CAL and UAL were all of the "good" (for the company) variety? I thought only the UA ones were crappy, hence why we stopped most of the Saab flights in and out of LGA.
 
i was under the same impression. i guess we learn something new everyday. as steve said do not worry until the planes show up or are taken away. pncl wants to save money and make money.
 
Okay...for a little more information...

The Q400 is a Capacity Purchase agreement with Continental. Continental buys 74 seats from Colgan for a pre-set amount. Basically we get $X,XXX per completed flight. Should we operate the Q400 for another airline, other than CAL, then Colgan would contractually be required to reduce the cost to Continental. This is, as PNCL Corp says, to share the cost of ownership of the airplane(s). So instead of getting (for example only) $6,432 per flight now, should we operated the Q400 for British Airways CAL would get a rate reduction to lets say $5,344 per flight.

The SAABs are operated for Continental, United and US Airways on a revenue sharing, pro-rate agreement. Very much a codeshare agreement. Colgan operates the flights under the Connection/Express banners, but is responsible for all of the costs associated with operating said flights. De-icing, landing fees, MX, Crews, FUEL, CATERING, canceled flights and hotel rooms for PAX (MX CNX ONLY) are all the responsibility of Colgan. We set the ticket prices in the SAAB markets we serve and therefore control the seat inventory respectfully.

We receive 100% of the base fare for a passenger traveling locally (ie BHB-BOS, MHT-LGA, TYR-IAH, CRW-IAD). If a passenger is traveling roundtrip from Kileen, TX to Houston, TX and the total cost is $566.76, Colgan would receive $566.76 minus any tax. This is not common. Many of our passengers make connections to destinations beyond our hubs. If that same person travels from Kileen, TX to West Palm Beach, FL and paid $566.76, Colgan receives a "connect incentive" and would be reimbursed about $50-80 total. Even though they still carried that same passenger the same distance and they took up the same seat, we are reimbursed differently.

This is why we reduced the US Airways flying out of LGA in September and almost got rid of many of our United markets in August. Pinnacle doesn't like the thought of losing money and that's what's at stake in most of these markets. However, the Nantucket, Hyannis, and Martha's Vineyard is our bread and butter. Our profit margins on those flights are amazing, most would be surprised.

With that being said, the SAAB flying in IAH is profitable, US Airways stuff is hit or miss and UAL isn't too bad.

Hope this helps with anyone who was wondering about our agreements with major airlines.

The only airlines in the USA operating under Pro-Rate Agreements:
Colgan Saab 340's (US Airways, CAL, United)
Gulfstream 1900's (CAL)
TranStates ERJ-145's (US Airways)

That's it.

Everyone else operates under Capacity Purchase Agreements.
 
If you're about to enter negotiations, probability is that any rumors are 99% crap. Not saying if it's part of the 99% or the 1%...

Been there...

Done that...

Got the t-shirt.

It's might be the first salvo of a "FUD campaign" (Fear, uncertainty, doubt).

Get ready for the "There are illegal, unlicensed Guatemalans being trained to replace us in the Q, I know! A check airman told me..." type stories.
 
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