Mesa "reinterprets" new CBA

MESA CBA said:
[FONT=&quot]. The language in question is in section 3.C.1: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]All pilots will be paid on the basis of scheduled ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]a[/FONT][FONT=&quot]s published on the pilot’s final bid award[/FONT][FONT=&quot]) or actual block flight time for each flight segment, whichever is greater.[/FONT]​
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I hate to argue a point for JO's management team, but the potential problem I see with this is (and it's something we've lost arbitration on locally I think) is that a reserve pilot has no flying on their published line so in essence, their line value for the month is zero hours. Minimum guarantee and published line values have nothing to do with each other.

The one thing I don't understand is the Q&A example of where a pilot has a line which is credited for 60 hours and overblocks by 5 hours during the course of the month. The Q&A says they would be paid 80.83 hours. I understand 80 hours in the guarantee, but where is the .83 coming from?

Trust me, I'd LOVE to see you guys win this one because it would set an absolutly awesome precident for everybody else, but I just don't see it happening.
 
Our minimum guarantee is actually 75.83hrs per month, it's kind of confusing. Previously we had a guarantee of 70 hrs per bid period for 13 bid periods. Once we move to a 12 bid period system (1 per month) the guarantee will be changed to 75.83.

Trust me, I'd LOVE to see you guys win this one because it would set an absolutly awesome precident for everybody else, but I just don't see it happening.
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I think it will primarily because the issue of reserve pilots was brought up in the negotiations and both parties (management negotiaters and ALPA negotiaters) agreed that this was the interpretation. Those people still agree with us, but their boss with the initials M.L. is the one behind this new "interpretation." The MEC still has the notes from the negotiation, which will be submitted in arbitration.
 
BobDDuck said:
I hate to argue a point for JO's management team, but the potential problem I see with this is (and it's something we've lost arbitration on locally I think) is that a reserve pilot has no flying on their published line so in essence, their line value for the month is zero hours. Minimum guarantee and published line values have nothing to do with each other.
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I'm with Ethan here. I hate to back up Slumdog Airline CEO, but that's exactly what I was thinking.

I also agree with PCL. Getting a new deal without settling old grievances isn't the best idea. The fact that we've told management here they HAVE to clear the backlog (and it's a HUUUUGGE backlog) before a new deal gets signed is one of the sticking points, I think.
 
Mesa pilots have themselves to blame for even ok'ing their new 'contract'. I have no sympathy. they had the chance to make things better and they blew it.
 
MattB said:
Mesa pilots have themselves to blame for even ok'ing their new 'contract'. I have no sympothy. they had the chance to make things better and they blew it.
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No sympothy [sic]? Well, it makes everyone else's negotiations harder..... FFDC anyone???
 
MattB said:
Mesa pilots have themselves to blame for even ok'ing their new 'contract'. I have no sympathy. they had the chance to make things better and they blew it.
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This provision is better. It's better than most other regionals have, how is the blame on the pilots when Management won't follow what they negotiated for?
 
True, but it's not just the 'provision'. I am irratated that the pilot group had some pretty good leverage and agreed to another sub standard contract. It is a good thing they at least got management to agree to certain things despite the fact they wont actually follow the contract. Sorry guys I'm just so fed up with certain things various airline management groups have been doing lately, including here at pdt, it is up to us to force the changes and get them to play ball with the various things that they agree to. Maybe I should have focused that to the mesa MEC.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
This provision is better. It's better than most other regionals have, how is the blame on the pilots when Management won't follow what they negotiated for?
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IMO, I think management knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They saw this fight coming. They are just sure they can win it when it gets to arbitration. If you get the right arbitrator, you could win it. That being said, if the best you've got is the word "paid" in the contract, it's gonna be an uphill battle. I still say good luck, we're all counting on you.
 
I'm one of the guys that voted no, let me rephrase that.Hell no!!!! We had some great leverage to negotiate a contract that could have surpassed other contracts, but unfortionatelly this one was voted in. Another thing is, I am suprised and a little angry when someone tells me they didn't vote. So in the future I better not here them complain at all since they chose not to even vote on the darn thing.
 
dashdriver said:
I'm one of the guys that voted no, let me rephrase that.Hell no!!!! We had some great leverage to negotiate a contract that could have surpassed other contracts, but unfortionatelly this one was voted in. Another thing is, I am suprised and a little angry when someone tells me they didn't vote. So in the future I better not here them complain at all since they chose not to even vote on the darn thing.
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That is what is so frustrating. Everyone was bitching, but then those same guys did not bother to vote. Then after, they were still talking trash. I still cannot understand why it was not a 99% turnout.
 
By the way, the March 6th payment happened yesterday/today.... so depending on whatever negotiations are occuring I imagine a grievance will be filed shortly.
 
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