PUBNAT 5- Announcement ending 7/31

Thanks for posting that up. Hopefully that'll help put some of the "hiring freeze" rumors to rest.

Insist on good sources, y'all. Rumors spread on JC like wildfire among applicants and lead to bad decision making. If somebody "heard it from someone else" or "was told by some guy in OKC"... don't buy into it unless you've got something better.
 
J1252 said:
I doubt it.
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:yeahthat: That assessment does not sound right, as I just read a report that says air traffic could almost double by 2025. The industry is very cyclical, and we happen to be in the low right now. Major airlines have cut capacity up to 10% domestically (more could follow) but it will pick back up...always does.
 
Rosstafari said:
Thanks for posting that up. Hopefully that'll help put some of the "hiring freeze" rumors to rest.

Insist on good sources, y'all. Rumors spread on JC like wildfire among applicants and lead to bad decision making. If somebody "heard it from someone else" or "was told by some guy in OKC"... don't buy into it unless you've got something better.
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Er...did you read the email? It basically said...

"Why no...we're not in a "hiring freeze" per se. We just aren't accepting new people to be employed at our facility for the next panel...or the panel after that. TOTALLY not the same exact thing."
 
WoH said:
Er...did you read the email? It basically said...

"Why no...we're not in a "hiring freeze" per se. We just aren't accepting new people to be employed at our facility for the next panel...or the panel after that. TOTALLY not the same exact thing."
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really? where does it say they arent accepting people at that facility, because I didnt read that anywhere. :yup:
 
So, are they basically saying that they didn't see any of this coming a year ago when they had the PUBNATS? I can't imagine they would have all these hiring announcements, and then within a year decide they can't hire many people at all.
 
Another thing that seems strange about that e-mail is that it says that controllers aren't retiring because of the economy. If they don't get out this year, they'll be forced to next year. They don't have a choice. There's no, the economy's in a lull, exception to the retirement age requirement. Seems like he was blowing a little smoke cause he doesn't really know what's going on.
 
RdRunnr12 said:
Another thing that seems strange about that e-mail is that it says that controllers aren't retiring because of the economy. If they don't get out this year, they'll be forced to next year. They don't have a choice. There's no, the economy's in a lull, exception to the retirement age requirement. Seems like he was blowing a little smoke cause he doesn't really know what's going on.
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Yeah. I mean at most, they have a couple years before mandatory retirement, and as we know, it's a couple year training process to become fully certified. So logically, now would be the time to begin training people because you know you will need them in the near future.
 
sixthman20 said:
Yeah. I mean at most, they have a couple years before mandatory retirement, and as we know, it's a couple year training process to become fully certified. So logically, now would be the time to begin training people because you know you will need them in the near future.
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The amount of mandatory retirements in the next 5-7 years is going to be very high. Controllers are retiring at a faster rate than the FAA anticipated, many leaving before mandatory age, which caused this huge boom in hiring as well. This information is straight out of a report/testimony given to congress in regards to the budget crisis the FAA is experiencing. I believe I found it on the MYFAA website or NATCA (one of the two). When I spoke to a hub manager not long ago, he said things would slow down a bit due to the budget, change of administrations, etc., but it will pick back up once those issues are straightened out. The FAA needs new controllers, but there are only so many they can handle at once. Facilities are maxed out or over the percentage ratio of CPC's and Developmentals, so many are evaluating the need and when to bring them on. I wouldn't worry too much about this "hiring freeze" (or whatever you want to call it).
 
WoH said:
Er...did you read the email? It basically said...

"Why no...we're not in a "hiring freeze" per se. We just aren't accepting new people to be employed at our facility for the next panel...or the panel after that. TOTALLY not the same exact thing."
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A full facility does not a hiring freeze make. I'm amazed at how many people here don't understand the difference between slowing down new hires at some facilities to let the training catch up and a system-wide freeze.

It's just more people making up things in the absence of information... obviously some facilities have more developmentals than others and aren't taking new people at the moment. But a few people have misunderstood what that means and ran to the forums posting up "OMG HIRING FREEZE I HEARD IT FROM A GOOD SOURCE!@#!#!!!!!11" It's not the same thing, y'all.
 
Frankly, until I read an article in USA Today or read something directly from the FAA, I'm going to go ahead and assume they're still hiring people and I've still got a decent chance. No use getting all worked up over speculation from people who may or may not have an real idea what they're talking about.
 
jkwan77 said:
At this time facilities do not know how many they will be authorized to hire or when.
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This is the same as when you walk into a place to see if they're hiring and they say "We'll we're accepting applications!" It's how they say "no' without saying "no".

jkwan77 said:
The next time the hiring panel is scheduled to meet is the April/May/June...Pending the results of the reassessment that may be pushed to July/Aug Sept.
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Code for: Not only are we "accepting applications" for the spring panel...we're "accepting applications" for the summer panel too.

I agree that in no where does it overtly state that they are not hiring. I really just wanted to say that I took the email in the exact opposite way that you did. You saw it as a denial that they are not hiring and were relieved. I saw it as a vague PR type statement that said "we're not hiring' without actually saying "we're not hiring". Which is exactly what a vague statement is supposed to do...mean something different to anyone who reads it.
 
well you guys can overly analyzie a email all you want but im going off of something much more reliable, my lucky 8 ball. lets see what it says when i ask the question "is there a hiring freeze?"

and the asnwer.......maybe......well guess thats the same answer we are getting from the email so it must be correct.

not for a more important question "will i win the lotto"....ask again later.

but i think this hiring freeze rumor is nothing more then an HR lady tring to plz someone and to make it so he wont email her again and she can get back to more important things like sending out info packets to those people needing PEPC info.
 
jkwan77 said:
I received this email today from the training manager in Salt Lake City:

"There has not been a hiring freeze anywhere at this time. Hiring has been
cut way back FAA wide due to decrease in traffic volumes and a decrease in retirements due to the current economy. FAA finance is looking at all
facilities in the country and reassessing hiring needs. They predict traffic to continue to decrease through 2020. We hope to know something by the end of March. At this time facilities do not know how many they will be authorized to hire or when. The next time the hiring panel is scheduled to meet is the April/May/June time frame and we would be able to select from PUBNAT5 at that time. Pending the results of the reassessment that may be pushed to July/Aug Sept. We just do not know at this time. Please feel free to give me a call if you have any other questions. Thank you for being interested in Salt Lake ARTCC!!"


My original email:

I would like to request your help in clarifying the current hiring
opportunities for Air Traffic Controllers in Salt Lake City. As a PUBNAT 5
applicant, I received a 90.3 on my ATSAT and am now waiting for geografical preferences. Since there have been rumors of a hiring freeze in SLC, I feel unsure about placing Utah as one of my geo. preferences, although I would love to stay in Utah. I am open to both Tower and Enroute facilities.
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That is interesting that it was ZLC. My husband and all the other people going to ZLC had a meeting with the facility training manager for ZLC and she said they were blocked from hiring anyone else for ZLC "at this time". Basic same thing as what is in the email. I guess the difference is in the choice of words. Do you view freeze as "not hiring at all" or do you view freeze as in "not hiring right now"?
 
sixthman20 said:
Frankly, until I read an article in USA Today or read something directly from the FAA, I'm going to go ahead and assume they're still hiring people and I've still got a decent chance. No use getting all worked up over speculation from people who may or may not have an real idea what they're talking about.
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Exactly. Hey, if some of you are convinced by a rumor and want to believe there's a "freeze", please, by all means, discontinue your application and let the rest of us continue down our merry way. That's one less potential contender for my spot.
 
I do find it amusing how everyone knows everything from this guy who knows a guy who's married to this girl who works at Bed, Bath, and Beyond with the son of a guy in OKC who totally knows that ZKC is only taking 4 people this year.
 
sestevens said:
I do find it amusing how everyone knows everything from this guy who knows a guy who's married to this girl who works at Bed, Bath, and Beyond with the son of a guy in OKC who totally knows that ZKC is only taking 4 people this year.
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I agree it is very amusing. How about we just be patient and NOT listen to rumors? It seems like a crazy idea but I think that's what I'm gonna do, I'll let the hiring process resolve on it's own.
 
flywithmyeyesclosed said:
I agree it is very amusing. How about we just be patient and NOT listen to rumors? It seems like a crazy idea but I think that's what I'm gonna do, I'll let the hiring process resolve on it's own.
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I tend to think it's kind of funny. I mean in reality, none of us really know anything. At best, we're gonna relay third hand information, and that's the best case scenario. More than likely, we're just playing a big elaborate game of telephone and what may have started off as something as benign as "presently there is a log jam of OKC approved people waiting so we're going to wait an extra 2 months to make official hires" has morphed into "HIRING FREEZE!!!!! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!!!!"
 
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