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ferret123
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i dont think you can. but i also dont think it would be wise to just choose one either.
from looking at pubnat2's panel list, florida didnt take very many people so just choosing florida might make you wait with pubnat6!
but anyway if you dont mind a center, tennessee is hurting for people. Houston Center has taken a good group of people as well.
i'd recommend louisiana but our biggest terminal MSY is full after katrina since all the staff from NEW moved there after it got flooded.
nathanw
New Member
Yes, you can choose only one state. That's what I did.
California seems to always need people.
:yeahthat: You can choose just one... I did it too...
ferret123
New Member
Does anyone else run into completely unsupportive people in their town?
im a server at the local outback and, when i tell customers about the awsome career opportunity that weve been given, i always get a response like "oh wow. good luck with that. i hear the faa treats their workers like crap." or the ever so famous "ya i was a controller once. it was the worst mistake i ever made!"
after telling a guy about how regan fired the strikers 20 years ago, he told me he was one of those strikers and got "bent out of shape" about how im totally taking advantage of his loss.
it doesnt really bother me because those people are ex-controllers for a reason. but its just annoying that nobody thinks its a good idea around here
im a server at the local outback and, when i tell customers about the awsome career opportunity that weve been given, i always get a response like "oh wow. good luck with that. i hear the faa treats their workers like crap." or the ever so famous "ya i was a controller once. it was the worst mistake i ever made!"
after telling a guy about how regan fired the strikers 20 years ago, he told me he was one of those strikers and got "bent out of shape" about how im totally taking advantage of his loss.
it doesnt really bother me because those people are ex-controllers for a reason. but its just annoying that nobody thinks its a good idea around here
kcarpentier
New Member
Does anyone else run into completely unsupportive people in their town?
im a server at the local outback and, when i tell customers about the awsome career opportunity that weve been given, i always get a response like "oh wow. good luck with that. i hear the faa treats their workers like crap." or the ever so famous "ya i was a controller once. it was the worst mistake i ever made!"
after telling a guy about how regan fired the strikers 20 years ago, he told me he was one of those strikers and got "bent out of shape" about how im totally taking advantage of his loss.
it doesnt really bother me because those people are ex-controllers for a reason. but its just annoying that nobody thinks its a good idea around here
One of my "friends" is being a totally unsupportive ###### about the whole thing. "I can't believe you'd take a job where they treat you so bad!" (k, we both work at the same place and have been treated like crapola from day one, so whatev) "why the hell would you move to indiana!!!" (why the hell would I stay in NY?) "how are you going to afford to live!!!!!" (sorry, not all of us have trust funds. but I think I will manage to scrape by, thx.)
It might seem like my "friend" is being "caring" but if you could hear the tone of voice they bitch at me in, you'd understand that it's not. :banghead:
Most everyone else I talk to either says "WOW! GOOD FOR YOU!" or "Isn't it hard?" or something to that effect.
HotoneJ
New Member
The only thing I ever get is "Air traffic controller??? Well you'll be a drunk pretty soon ehh!!"Does anyone else run into completely unsupportive people in their town?
im a server at the local outback and, when i tell customers about the awsome career opportunity that weve been given, i always get a response like "oh wow. good luck with that. i hear the faa treats their workers like crap." or the ever so famous "ya i was a controller once. it was the worst mistake i ever made!"
after telling a guy about how regan fired the strikers 20 years ago, he told me he was one of those strikers and got "bent out of shape" about how im totally taking advantage of his loss.
it doesnt really bother me because those people are ex-controllers for a reason. but its just annoying that nobody thinks its a good idea around here
Bigey
Well-Known Member
And you've got it completely backwards
Haha righttttttttt....
I'm leaving it at that also...back to PUBNAT4.
Offtopic posts moved to: http://forums.jetcareers.com/the-lavatory/76689-off-topic-atc-posts.html
aviatorzz
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See, now thank Doug Taylor for hosting a section just for ATCäers. We here in this section want to be air traffic controllers, so we wonät give you crap 
Besides, where in the world will you be able to say you get to play with aircraft all day? What other job is there that one couldnät possibly love any more?
Not saying this job is gonna be all sunshine and flowers but it certainly is something we really, really want. Iäd say screw the bad talkers and come in here and vent about it
zz
Besides, where in the world will you be able to say you get to play with aircraft all day? What other job is there that one couldnät possibly love any more?
Not saying this job is gonna be all sunshine and flowers but it certainly is something we really, really want. Iäd say screw the bad talkers and come in here and vent about it
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nathanw
New Member
Are you typing on a "not-US" keyboard? All your apostrophe's are showing up as äSee, now thank Doug Taylor for hosting a section just for ATCäers. We here in this section want to be air traffic controllers, so we wonät give you crap
Besides, where in the world will you be able to say you get to play with aircraft all day? What other job is there that one couldnät possibly love any more?
Not saying this job is gonna be all sunshine and flowers but it certainly is something we really, really want. Iäd say screw the bad talkers and come in here and vent about it
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ferret123
New Member
See, now thank Doug Taylor for hosting a section just for ATCäers. We here in this section want to be air traffic controllers, so we wonät give you crap
Besides, where in the world will you be able to say you get to play with aircraft all day? What other job is there that one couldnät possibly love any more?
Not saying this job is gonna be all sunshine and flowers but it certainly is something we really, really want. Iäd say screw the bad talkers and come in here and vent about it
zz
hehe well im glad im not the only guy whos getting flamed for choosing ATC. i just wasnt sure if it was only here in louisiana.
but who cares what anyone says! in a few years we'll hopefully all be one certified badass:nana2:
anyway back on topic has anyone heard anything yet?
aviatorzz
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Haha yeah, I am currently in Sweeden and for some reason their keyboard is a little different
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Umlaut
New Member
Hey everybody, I have a question that hopefully hasn't been covered.
I understand that once you are out of OKC and in a terminal or center, your base pay is around 33,000.
However, how exactly do the pay raises work. I know they come as you complete each quarter of your training, but are they performance based after you are completely certified, or are they based on time put in?
I'm trying to get a ballpark idea of how quick I can pull in some decent money, as I wouldnt want to work for 33,000 too long. I'm currently making around 50K, and I'm wondering how long I would have to work to at least get back to where I am leaving.
I understand that terminal vs. Center makes a difference, as does the level of traffic, but for the sake of argument, lets say I'm in a pretty busy tower. (hopefully BWI) .
I understand that once you are out of OKC and in a terminal or center, your base pay is around 33,000.
However, how exactly do the pay raises work. I know they come as you complete each quarter of your training, but are they performance based after you are completely certified, or are they based on time put in?
I'm trying to get a ballpark idea of how quick I can pull in some decent money, as I wouldnt want to work for 33,000 too long. I'm currently making around 50K, and I'm wondering how long I would have to work to at least get back to where I am leaving.
I understand that terminal vs. Center makes a difference, as does the level of traffic, but for the sake of argument, lets say I'm in a pretty busy tower. (hopefully BWI) .
nathanw
New Member
The pay raises are based solely on checking out on positions. Which positions differ from facility to facility.
Umlaut
New Member
There is absolutely no ballpark figure for what to expect?
How about how much of a pay increase you receive for each training segment? Is that standardized?
And what do you mean by "checking out on positions"? As in it depends on how many people are leaving that facility, and what money is available?
nathanw
New Member
Every facility has multiple positions that you must check out on. For instance, towers generally have Clearance Delivery (class B or C airspace), one or more Ground controllers and one or more Local controllers. There may be a few more positions as well such as Gate hold. Approach controls have multiple sections of their airspace, usually divided geographically. Same with ARTCC's. There are 4 pay raises you get, D1-D3 and CPC. Each is about a 25% increment (25% of positions learned). Every facility has a set facility level that sets the pay scale for that facility and every location also has a locality pay percentage added to it. If you search the forum for "locality rates" and/or "facility levels" you can find more info on those.
Edit:
I forgot to add that levels below 8 will skip D1. Level 5 skips D1 and D2 and level 4 skips D1-D3 (you go right to CPC pay). Here are the current pay scales (with locality pay added, find the tab at the bottom that corresponds to the metro area the facility is in. "RUS" is "rest of the US" (last tab). Also, you always get the "Minimum" pay for each band (until you get a raise beyond CPC).
Here is a spreadsheet with facility levels. Use the "facility level July 2007" column (some may have changed since then).
There was also a pretty long post in the PUBNAT 3 thread. Someone called the FAA number and got in touch with someone who basically confirmed that the 3 and 4 geo prefs will be sent out at the same time...sometime in the next week or so. I believe its on page 26 of that thread.