Correct. Unless it has changed, Aviate“ at United does not allow you to apply “off the street,” for UA if you are a part of the Aviate program. You have to wait your turn.
Delta hiring slowing?
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Must be... the base still hates Biden and the Fed that exists completely independently of Biden (or any other President, as the Fed should).1,100 is such a low number. That economy slowdown that everyone has been predicting for the past 3yrs must be here.
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
When I left C5 last year, you could "opt-in" to Aviate, in which case you had to wait your turn but might flow eventually. But if you didn't opt in you could apply off the street, however I never heard of anyone being hired that way, and the conventional wisdom was that your chances of being hired off the street were practically nil since United of course wouldn't want to poach their own regional feed. There were several different versions of the Aviate program, or CPP as it was called before that, while I was at C5 so for all I know the rules may have changed again. Before 2022 it wasn't a true flow but an opportunity to interview.
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
Also if you opt in to the Aviate program, you can be removed from it if you call in sick too many times, and I think for other reasons. I don't know if Envoy or the other AA wholly owned regionals have provisos like this with their flow.
roundout
VNAV monitor
They sure do, a buddy of mine got jammed up after contracting mono and being out an extended period of time.
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
I got removed as well, not even sure what rule I broke but I assume it was sick calls.
Dacuj
Well-Known Member
American pioneered the flow through program. Everyone else has just tried to put their own variation or spin on it. At American, it's a true flow through and you are considered an AA pilot from date of hire. Aviate has morphed over the years, take the Hogan, don't take it, interview, don't interview. I'm sure they'll change it at the drop of a hat again. American's though, has always been the same.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
What is “considered” an AA pilot? You keep beating around the bush with your lies. When does a pilot get an AA seniority number on the AA seniority list?
Envoy is ALPA, AA is APA. Stop lying.
Dacuj
Well-Known Member
Yeah and American Airlines Group flat out owns Envoy and American Airlines. That's really all that matters here.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
AMR Corp owned AA and American Eagle. Didn’t mean jack.
What’s your point?
You have misrepresented yourself with your messaging from the beginning.
The ONLY thing that would hold water is if an Envoy pilot starts day 1 at Envoy, in Irvine, with an AA pilot seniority number on this very day 1.
That’s not what happens though. Essentially, it’s no different than any other guaranteed flow up program. You leave Envoy (or the other regionals) when it’s your turn to flow up to mainline, AND, you get your mainline seniority number on day 1 of MAINLINE pilot ground school.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
It is but you know it’s more entertaining to listen to the ww2 vet talk. Or Vietnam vet? Abraham Lincoln remastered? Can’t keep up.
Ian_J
Hubschrauber Flieger
Nope. And I’m not responding to you really. I’m only responding in case neophytes are reading.
All that matters is the seniority list you are currently on. Envoy means absolutely nothing in terms of AA seniority, pay, and benefits. Nothing. The most senior pilot on Envoy’s list will be in the very bottom group of pilots on AA’s list if they move over. There is zero comparison and zero benefits gained by any wholly owned regional pilot.
bimmerphile
Sidestick Wiggler
‘being owned matters’
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
dacuj teaching cadets for their CTP course.
“Guys, they say touchdown zone, but they never said which end!”
View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/JNLrIJDZNXU
“Guys, they say touchdown zone, but they never said which end!”
I love how short of a landing zone they can get stopped in on flight sim. LOL! I saw a 747 get stopped on like 2000 feet once.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I wish I could find it, but there’s a Comair Academy picture back in ~1998-2002 where a pilot candidate had his elbows tucked into his sides, both fists up by his face, with a grimacing smile, and the words, “Being owned by Delta means everything!”
Me? I've never understood the airline game rules. But I do LUV to giggity-giggle at how so many around here claim to DETEST unions, right up to the sand-line of the seniority list.
bimmerphile
Sidestick Wiggler
known anti-union message board, JetCareers
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
I just remember the one guy in the middle who looked like he was going to poop out a pine cone.
