Lufthansa 747 balked landing at LAX

[MikeD]

Lucky they tag the nose gear as it headed to wheelbarrowing. Second landing after go around was firm too.

View: https://youtube.com/watch?si=yip1Pny-NKMbe2a-&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0C8IPgwwXdtI3ejdshYdftZ_sdAN5rqCJKcZcvR2-pAn9_KvVbwo7I9Xc_aem_Af5Cmem8mtDTvLMsKjlR9mV5MZD8XYSwBCE_K9hjVm1BtL-PWM6mKAoVS-E6HTrDwKSsziFIUqstynwOg0l63Acg&v=yUHsWr-K3Fc&feature=youtu.be

 

[SteveC]

Yowser

 

[DPApilot]

That looked like it hurt. Go arounds are free. Had my first on on the big bus this last trip. “Yeah, I don’t think this is going to work.” A bit more trying and we came back.

 

[killbilly]

Lucky they tag the nose gear as it headed to wheelbarrowing. Second landing after go around was firm too.

View: https://youtube.com/watch?si=yip1Pny-NKMbe2a-&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0C8IPgwwXdtI3ejdshYdftZ_sdAN5rqCJKcZcvR2-pAn9_KvVbwo7I9Xc_aem_Af5Cmem8mtDTvLMsKjlR9mV5MZD8XYSwBCE_K9hjVm1BtL-PWM6mKAoVS-E6HTrDwKSsziFIUqstynwOg0l63Acg&v=yUHsWr-K3Fc&feature=youtu.be

Jesus Murphy. Never seen a whole 747….flex…like that.

 

[DE727UPS]

It's the pressure of being on Live ATC. Similar with what happened to the Hindenburg. The announcer should have said "Oh, the humanity".

 

[Screaming_Emu]

Jesus Murphy. Never seen a whole 747….flex…like that.

The wings are definitely quite bendy. Can’t speak to the rest of it.

 

[NovemberEcho]

It's the pressure of being on Live ATC. Similar with what happened to the Hindenburg. The announcer should have said "Oh, the humanity".

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Why do pilots insist on pushing the nose down after what their perceive is a firm landing?


Let the plane fly nose down to the runway smoothly. Pushing the nose down (and you can clearly see the elevator) is just dumb. Let it fly onto the runway and then slowly let the nose settle - it hardly takes nose any down elevator.

It’s like they get a firm landing, and think, “oh, if only I can get the nose wheel to touch down quickly, I won’t be flying anymore!”

Newsflash: your wings are still flying.

 

[Skåning]

I saw a video on the 'gram of LH slamm'in and jam'in in YYZ. Maybe a fresh batch of lowtime guys in the system?

 

[🦈💜]

There are some REALLY awesome aerodynamics things going on in that video. You can see them just run out of energy fifteen feet up, and you can visually see the water vapor ripped out of the air as they're transiting critical AoA. On the go around, you can watch that wing giving everything it's got.

I used it as a teaching point just now to teach about bounced landings.

It's fantastic.

 

[MikeD]

Why do pilots insist on pushing the nose down after what their perceive is a firm landing?


Let the plane fly nose down to the runway smoothly. Pushing the nose down (and you can clearly see the elevator) is just dumb. Let it fly onto the runway and then slowly let the nose settle - it hardly takes nose any down elevator.

It’s like they get a firm landing, and think, “oh, if only I can get the nose wheel to touch down quickly, I won’t be flying anymore!”

Newsflash: your wings are still flying.

They’re lucky that nose didn’t slam down and begin a PIO back and forth, and end up on their back like some MD-11s have.

I bounced once, but it was while trying to grease one on, so the bounce was about a foot or two maybe….touched down lightly then could feel it rise again. But just like a Cessna or Piper, merely lowered the nose maybe a degree while still holding the landing attitude, and the mains touched back down again 2 or so seconds later. Normal landing from there. Uneventful. Nothing urgent or overcontrolling needed to be done.

 

[Wild_Weasel]

JetBlue was cracking up on the radio.

 

[JustinS]

They’re lucky that nose didn’t slam down and begin a PIO back and forth, and end up on their back like some MD-11s have.

That 747 was headed towards a PIO with those massive elevator inputs although the 747 looks to be more forgiving than the MD-11 at least…. Prior to touchdown full up elevator followed be a large nose down input after impact. On the baulked landing they did a good job freezing the pitch pouring the coals to it and climbing away. If you look at the subsequent landing attempt the elevator inputs are still massive. A good lesson in that a jet that large the pitch inputs have a delayed effect on changing pitch attitude and an even more delayed effect in changing the flight path angle.

 

[SFCC/UND]

Looks like my first landing on the 747 6 years ago. Thankfully my average of one landing per month has help me become more confident.

 

[NovemberEcho]

So what happened to cause this?

 

[CFI A&P]

So what happened to cause this?

This is a pretty good summary here:

There are some REALLY awesome aerodynamics things going on in that video. You can see them just run out of energy fifteen feet up, and you can visually see the water vapor ripped out of the air as they're transiting critical AoA. On the go around, you can watch that wing giving everything it's got.

I used it as a teaching point just now to teach about bounced landings.

It's fantastic.

 

[NovemberEcho]

This is a pretty good summary here:

I mean I know what happened, it’s the why I’m curious about. What did the pilots do that would cause this? It looked like a pretty stable approach the way down to me

 

[killbilly]

I mean I know what happened, it’s the why I’m curious about. What did the pilots do that would cause this? It looked like a pretty stable approach the way down to me

@Screaming_Emu to the white courtesy phone....

 

[Richman]

JetBlue was cracking up on the radio.

It's tickling the tail of the dragon when you do that. Karma is a harsh mistress.

 

[JordanD]

I feel like people are mightily over complicating “they probably just forgot to flare”