Cessnaflyer
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Can you call attention for the decision to abort?
Hail before V1
- Thread starter moxiepilot
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juxtapilot
Snowflake
FO's call out the abnormality... "Pack 2 Overheat" he'll keep going. "Thrust Rev Fail" he'll *hopefully* call for and perform the abort.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Eagle let the FO make the call; I was never really happy with this policy but on the other hand it also had its merits (left seat indecision versus FOs spring loaded to stop seems to be the trade off).
Cessnaflyer
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At Island Air it was Captains choice. Which is good since some FO's I worried about their ADM skills.
bc2209
Well-Known Member
Oh I've seen that video too! Looks windy!
What I was getting at was hail being big enough to crack windows. Going beyond the original scenario and encountering large hail right away. I would assume there's other damage happening as well.(?) Perhaps there wouldn't be any indication problems initially with the engines, or any signs of airframe degradation, but if time slowed down enough, I might think that something would be going boomy boom soon and consider aborting. Whatchya think?
Would like to see that video...is it on youtube?
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
Here ya go. Where are the YouTube ninjas to help? EDIT: Shoulda just waited for Daselben.
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If the YouTube link doesn't work, here's the thread where we talked about it...
http://www.forums.jetcareers.com/threads/aborted-t-o.113278/page-2#post-1563714
And the Lear 60 discussion on brakes and South Carolina...
http://www.forums.jetcareers.com/threads/south-carolina-lear-crash-question.73967/#post-977407
And here...
http://www.forums.jetcareers.com/threads/lear-60-drivers.109937/
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
It's great until you get a Captain who...never mind.
Cessnaflyer
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Haha us FOs were lucky at WP.
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
I'm disappointed there wasn't the required "OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!" as the window opened.
Stomp16
You mean Shennanigans?!?!
Not that my companies ops are in any way similar to 121, but our SOP's state that we cannot depart when a TS is within 10NM from the center of the aerodrome which you are attempting to depart from. If it was me and I was already getting hail before I attempted to depart, I would have not departed. Granted the aircraft may turn into a golf-ball, but I would rather be on the ground dealing with it than in the air.
NewYorkophile
Fly Casual
I haven't seen much discussion here about what the hail is indicating- a large, well-developed nearby thunderstorm. And if it's within 5 miles, you're well within it's ability to kill you.
You will not see the downdraft that swats you out of the sky, but you WILL see the large storm 5 miles away that caused it. I've seen severe windshear/turb from downdrafts up close and personal (and barely got away), and I know other airplanes that didn't make it out for the same damn thing.
EDIT: With regards to my soapbox, I'm a wimp when it comes to weather. Mother nature is a mean bitch, and knowing there are people out there who spit in her eye just rustles my jimmies.
You will not see the downdraft that swats you out of the sky, but you WILL see the large storm 5 miles away that caused it. I've seen severe windshear/turb from downdrafts up close and personal (and barely got away), and I know other airplanes that didn't make it out for the same damn thing.
EDIT: With regards to my soapbox, I'm a wimp when it comes to weather. Mother nature is a mean bitch, and knowing there are people out there who spit in her eye just rustles my jimmies.
Stomp16
You mean Shennanigans?!?!
Say what??
Gets his man-panties in an uproar.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
You additionally have an inappropriate number of engines and no airborne thunderstorm detection equipment (NEXRAD counts not), so adjourning to the bar is a good idea.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Hail, regardless of size, represents a significant hazard to flight safety. Large hail (> 1 inch) is considered severe in pretty much most operational weather environments I have worked, and as such, is coming from a thunderstorm that is deeply mature and easily within the severe range. I would have no problems aborting a takeoff if my ship is getting pelted by hail. Why I am launching into known severe potential is also questionable, but hey, that wasn't the hypo we are playing.
Calling an airplane "ship" is number two below "the bird" on the annoying list of names for airplanes/aircraft. "Aircrafts" is also on there.
