You will never need to use this information after the checkride.

USMCmech

USMCmech

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One of the things that I HATE about flight training is the emphasis on material that a student will never use again in their aviation career.

Stuff like:
Class E/G airspace
Cloud clearance requirements
91.205
Encoded METARs, TAFs, Winds Aloft, ect.


What are some things that you spent time learning or teaching students that you have never used again?
 
Awesome post. Too many to name

4 parts of a FA
3 types of ad's
K index chart
Compass turning errors
localizer widths
Vor service volumes
FOI
NDBs
FOI
 
n2surfing21 said:
Awesome post. Too many to name

4 parts of a FA
3 types of ad's
K index chart
Compass turning errors
localizer widths
Vor service volumes
FOI
NDBs
FOI
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Hmm maybe you people don't use these things. I know ive used everything in the op. And a number of your things.
Ever thought about buying an airplane? It's amazing the things you need to know.

I think usmcmec isn't a 121 fo. If his flying is anything at all like mine was you'd need to know class e/g daily.
 
z987k said:
I think usmcmec isn't a 121 fo. If his flying is anything at all like mine was you'd need to know class e/g daily.
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Been flying for 20 years, I haven't ever needed to know if I was in Class E or G.

When have you ever needed to know this information?


Not trolling, honest question.
 
NDBs, FOI, weight shift problems, My Hairy Red Balls Make Babies, cloud clearance, MTRs, ifr lost comms, VOR volumes, Radar summary charts, TWEBs, FSS, flight watch, hiwas, aspect ratios, lazy eights, eights on pylons, holding out stuff, IMSaFE BS, personal minimums.
 
From my example,

Cloud clearance requirements - These are very arbitrary regs for a very ambiguous dynamic situation. How do you know if you are 2000 feet from a could? What defines the "edge" of a cloud?

91.205 - EVERY airplane has a KOEL or MEL that is more restrictive than 91.205. If you are using TOMATO FLAMES as your guide to wether or not your airplane is airworthy, you are almost certainly wrong.

I read METARs and TAFs encoded out of habit, but there is no justifiable need to do so. The encoded information was done that way back when all this data had to be transmitted via a telegraph. The computer can print out plain language weather information just as fast as the encoded reports.
 
USMCmech said:
Been flying for 20 years, I haven't ever needed to know if I was in Class E or G.

When have you ever needed to know this information?


Not trolling, honest question.
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In the airline all the time. Part 91 not so much now but it is still referenced.
 
USMCmech said:
Been flying for 20 years, I haven't ever needed to know if I was in Class E or G.

When have you ever needed to know this information?


Not trolling, honest question.
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You need to know if You are class e or g to know what vis you need vfr. Had that a lot flying 135. Almost every day some months.

Also some certificate holders don't have opspecs for things like ifr in g.
 
I don't know about the people posting a list of things they've never used, but I have used everything on everyone's list at one point in my professional career. YMMV.

I suppose it is also because I have done more than one type of flying.
 
moxiepilot said:
I don't know about the people posting a list of things they've never used, but I have used everything on everyone's list at one point in my professional career. YMMV.

I suppose it is also because I have done more than one type of flying.
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I think that's it. The less your hand is held by dispatch or narrow types of flying the more you have to know ALL the rules.
 
z987k said:
You need to know if You are class e or g to know what vis you need vfr. Had that a lot flying 135.
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When flying 135 IFR, who cares what vis is required for VFR? I flew 135 for four years, and whether I was in E or G never crossed my mind.

If you are IFR, you don't care. As long as you are following your clearance, you will stay inside controlled (E or better) airspace.

If you are VFR, you don't care if you are in E or G. Yes, the cloud clearance requirements change, but as I already noted those are irrelevant.
 
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USMCmech said:
When flying 135 IFR, who cares what vis is required for VFR? I flew 135 for four years, and whether I was in E or G never crossed my mind.

If you are IFR, you don't care. As long as you are following your clearance, you will stay inside controlled (E or better) airspace.

If you are VFR, you don't care if you are in E or G. Yes, the cloud clearance requirements change, but as I already noted those are irrelevant.
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In some 121 opspecs you better know where your airspace is. It's come back to bite some captains trying to take route shortcuts.
 
USMCmech said:
Been flying for 20 years, I haven't ever needed to know if I was in Class E or G.

When have you ever needed to know this information?

Not trolling, honest question.
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Most famous example is the pilot who cancelled IFR with ATC to be a nice guy once he broke out on an approach to a non-towered airport instead of waiting to make a call on the ground.

It was Class G up to 700 and Class E above. He was in Class E with clouds less than 500' above when he cancelled. Unfortunately, there was an FAA Inspector with a bug where the sun don't shine on the ground who violated him.
 
I think the cloud clearance rules are asinine, how the hell can I tell the difference between 2000' of lateral separation between me and the clouds?
 
USMCmech said:
When flying 135 IFR, who cares what vis is required for VFR? I flew 135 for four years, and whether I was in E or G never crossed my mind.

If you are IFR, you don't care. As long as you are following your clearance, you will stay inside controlled (E or better) airspace.

If you are VFR, you don't care if you are in E or G. Yes, the cloud clearance requirements change, but as I already noted those are irrelevant.
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Not necessarily.
 
USMCmech said:
When flying 135 IFR, who cares what vis is required for VFR? I flew 135 for four years, and whether I was in E or G never crossed my mind.

If you are IFR, you don't care. As long as you are following your clearance, you will stay inside controlled (E or better) airspace.

If you are VFR, you don't care if you are in E or G. Yes, the cloud clearance requirements change, but as I already noted those are irrelevant.
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There is plenty of ifr in G. You must have flown in some pretty flat places with E to the ground everywhere and approaches to every airport.
Visibility is usually my concern when in G or E. Because there's a big difference between 1 2 & 3sm.
 
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