XJT gets new 7 year CPA with CAL

There's a worst-case scenario from this with 39 parked airplanes and pay cuts (which some seem eager to see for some reason), and a best-case that would require significant amounts of kool-aid to get excited about (xjet keeping the 39 airplanes and flying them for another carrier). The final result will probably be somewhere in between, hopefully after months of attrition and a new round of COLAs reduce the need for furloughs. But all in all as it stands right now, with a lot of questions still unanswered, I think this agreement is about the best we could have hoped for.
 
Chris_Ford said:
Stop speculating and doom and glooming, you left, you're happy, WE GET IT. Why don't you go join yourself and aloft in the corner!??!
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Doom and gloomer??

Do you care to re-visit your PM's to me about XJT going under and asking me for a job referral? You have to be one of the biggest gloomers out there.

Another mature post by Ford.
 
According to our own internal communications and from speaking with one of the MEC higher ups this evening we are still looking at flying all 274 into the fall, and 250-260 thereafter.
 
Most Favored Nation clause = Gone

That, along with the ability to fly any non-CAL flights in and out of the CAL hubs, is worth so much more than any of you realize right now... and it can very well change the face of XJT for the better, well within a year.

As to potential furloughs... call your union rep and see what really awesome ideas they are working on to prevent the "F" word. These guys are really thinking outside of the box... and the company is listening. Combine that with normal attrition... and I don't believe we'll see any of the large "F" numbers that are being thrown around here.

Bob
 
EXACTLY what Chris Ford said. :yeahthat: :yeahthat:

I don't post here much but I read alot.

Merritt, I'm not exactly what your issue is, but dude, RELAX.

I know you were hoping for more evidence to justify to yourself you made the right decision by leaving. Unfortunately you have to continue to extract any little piece of bad news out of every press release from XJT just so you can sleep at night. I remember not to long ago when it was the other way around from you. You seem to either be a "bandwagaoner" or the complete opposite.

I have been here (XJT) just over a year to date. If I lose my job so be it. It would be nice if you just forgot about your job here and posted something about your current carreer, or maybe it has its own version of jetcareers.com like tpsreports.com, vent there.

We might have to lay people off we might not. However because you chose to leave, that is one less we have to worry about, so thanks. I'm not worried at all. I too can go back to making four times what I make at XJT (if we do furlough)

Your post actually irritate me enough to respond. I can stand 99% of criticism towards XJT, really, but yours seems to come from a place that I can't even describe. I know I am not the only one that feels this way.

Mods, sorry. I would tell this to him if he was standing in Doug and Kristie's living room.

Sorry for the rant.
 
Captain_Bob said:
Most Favored Nation clause = Gone

That, along with the ability to fly any non-CAL flights in and out of the CAL hubs, is worth so much more than any of you realize right now... and it can very well change the face of XJT for the better, well within a year.

As to potential furloughs... call your union rep and see what really awesome ideas they are working on to prevent the "F" word. These guys are really thinking outside of the box... and the company is listening. Combine that with normal attrition... and I don't believe we'll see any of the large "F" numbers that are being thrown around here.

Bob
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Heh hopefully my union rep doesn't have the phone company block me :p

I've actually only called him twice, but he was so freaking nice and chatting with me for as long as I had questions both times that I don't want to look like I'm stalking him. I will start stalking him, I just don't want to :) Too bad it's after midnight or I'd call right now.
 
I'm not sure why you guys are wondering what management will ask for from the pilots; the CPA is signed, and the pilots were asked for nothing thus far. My guess is that we're simply making less money off the CPA than we were before and that the pilot group will not asked for concessions.

Even if they are, the company won't get them.

All that being said, I think this is an incredibly good thing for ExpressJet, the share holders, the pilot group and the industry at large. It's the one good thing I've seen happen in the last few months. Even if a few of us get furloughed, that's life; I'd rather lose my job than lose this contract.
 
jtrain609 said:
I'm not sure why you guys are wondering what management will ask for from the pilots; the CPA is signed, and the pilots were asked for nothing thus far. My guess is that we're simply making less money off the CPA than we were before and that the pilot group will not asked for concessions.

Even if they are, the company won't get them.

All that being said, I think this is an incredibly good thing for ExpressJet, the share holders, the pilot group and the industry at large. It's the one good thing I've seen happen in the last few months. Even if a few of us get furloughed, that's life; I'd rather lose my job than lose this contract.
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Couldn't have said it better. :)
 
I think this is great news....Two weeks ago we were looking at Skywest trying to stick us into the biggest whipsaw one could imagine.....Them talking about being "Cost Competitive" etc. 700 pilots on the street plus the potential to lose a significant amount of flying each year to another company under their umbrella. To top it off they wanted to make it sound like it was their offer or the end for XJT.

The union really came through big...I didn't even know about our scope clause prior to all these negotiations. I was in contact with my rep throughout and can say I felt well-informed. The easy thing would have been to cave and I'm so glad we didn't, and I did tell my rep I thought the deal was horrible.

Kudos to the MEC and management. I think there are still some hurdles ahead but I have faith in those driving the ship.
 
jtrain609 said:
I'm not sure why you guys are wondering what management will ask for from the pilots; the CPA is signed, and the pilots were asked for nothing thus far. My guess is that we're simply making less money off the CPA than we were before and that the pilot group will not asked for concessions.

Even if they are, the company won't get them.

All that being said, I think this is an incredibly good thing for ExpressJet, the share holders, the pilot group and the industry at large. It's the one good thing I've seen happen in the last few months. Even if a few of us get furloughed, that's life; I'd rather lose my job than lose this contract.
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Bingo. If they want lower pay rates, the pilots have to agree. We saw this with the "we're gonna lose the NWA flying" and "we won't be able to get more flying unless you sign our last, best and final offer" from our management. Guess what? We've got a long term contract (as of right now at least) with both NWA and Delta, neither of which had anything to do with pilot pay rates. One of the differences b/w the NWA deal we had previously and the one now is a lower profit margin and some changes in how costs are handled. Stock went through the roof on that one, too. Stock has plummeted lately, but once again, pilot pay had nothing to do with the stock rise or fall other than possibly the uncertainty that goes along with not having a pilot contract.

Management will almost ALWAYS try to play the same card when it comes to pay. I have a huge amount of respect for XJT's management, though. Probably the best and most creative management team in the regional industry IMO, and definitely the best when it comes to management/employee relations.
 
Right on guys, good to hear you are keeping the flying. Too bad the drama had to unfold over the last few weeks like it did, but hopefully this means good things for ya'll in the long run.
 
Chris_Ford said:
First year FO harcore union thumper doesn't know what a whipsaw is. Wow.
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Then Chris, tell me what a Whipsaw is.

Please do. Even though I didn't indicate the whipsaw would occur, but rather that I would sense Skywest Inc. to make another low ball attempt to gain other flying.

So I make a comment of good will in regards to XJT staying XJT and securing this CPA with CAL, then I make a comment about Skywest Inc. and an XJT FO gets all pissed off about it. Amazing.

I'm happy for you guys, not against you Chris.

Hootie said:
Dude, give it up.
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Define "it."

I simply would imagine some of the management types at Skywest Inc. to develop offers and plans for going after this flying anyway. Maybe I've got the tactics of the group wrong, but I can only figure that this is an avenue they would attempt to go down.

For the sake of XJT's pilots I hope JA does not make any future attempt.

Dude.
 
I don't know why, but I'm almost relieved to see CAL sign a long term deal with you guys. Good news!!
 
This thread has strengthened my contention that Merit's leaving XJT was due to more than his stated 'financial' reasons. The more I hear from this guy, the more I want to do a little research into the real reason given for his departure.

At any rate, his absurdist conjecture about the future of XJT is about par for the course. Yes, there will inevitably fleet reduction. Hey, brilliant deduction Sherlock! Newsflash: THE ENTIRE FREAKING INDUSTRY IS REDUCING CAPACITY! AA is parking 35 jets, Ealge is parking their Saabs, NWA is merging with DAL, TED is being grounded... Merit, do you actually read all the news, or just what can be regarded as bad news for ExpressJet? What, exactly, is your problem? I hope you find a resolution for your issues soon, because, frankly, you are to Expressjet Airlines what Mr. Creepy is to Evolution.
 
CapnJim said:
This thread has strengthened my contention that Merit's leaving XJT was due to more than his stated 'financial' reasons. The more I hear from this guy, the more I want to do a little research into the real reason given for his departure.

At any rate, his absurdist conjecture about the future of XJT is about par for the course. Yes, there will inevitably fleet reduction. Hey, brilliant deduction Sherlock! Newsflash: THE ENTIRE FREAKING INDUSTRY IS REDUCING CAPACITY! AA is parking 35 jets, Ealge is parking their Saabs, NWA is merging with DAL, TED is being grounded... Merit, do you actually read all the news, or just what can be regarded as bad news for ExpressJet? What, exactly, is your problem? I hope you find a resolution for your issues soon, because, frankly, you are to Expressjet Airlines what Mr. Creepy is to Evolution.
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You drunk on Kool-Aid?

I've said it a billion times genius that I want nothing more than XJT to succeed and continue to be a top-tier regional.

I read to news both good and bad. I don't watch it from the inside as an employee anymore so my news comes from the filings, PR's, and analytical perspective, Jimmy.

As for me leaving, there are plenty of members on this board that know plenty about me and my life so don't dig too deep. I gave XJT a chance but after April 15th and sitting down with my accountants, I burned through way too much of my own cash (outside of my big bucks at XJT), I couldn't do it anymore unless I sold my primary house, defaulted on my second home (outside my home state), wife went to work, son sold lemonade, and bought a bus pass.

Get real. You can either take a look at the financial, analytical, and business data of where XJT is today and draw your own assumptions or you can continue to make your emotional outbursts. As you continue to demonstrate, you'll take the latter of the two.
 
OK merit. Whatever you say. I'm sure your intelligent conjecture of "400 pilots on the street" is completely reasoned and certain.

I am standing by for more bad news for XJT that you will invariably grandstand and hyperinflate, while pretending to be sympathetic so you don't come off as a complete and total jerk.

Example: Kool Aid. You are utterly clueless aren't you? Seriously, you should really shut up about ExpressJet for a while. You're starting to make a fool of yourself. I understand something about leaving XJT really upset you, but until you get to the real reasons for your distress, your negative emotions are going to continue to bring more unhappiness your way. And god knows, no one here wants to see that.

Also, whatever 'emotion' you read in my posts is solely a product of your mind, what with its infallable interpretation of reality. My tone is designed to incite emotion in you, not me. Clearly, I have done my job.
 
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