Write the Aviation subcommittee re: fatigue and pay

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To: Senator@dorgan.senate.gov

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/i...ittee_ID=eb104593-aeec-4264-a2de-c5affb405db5

Dear Senator Dorgan:

Thank you for scheduling a senate committee hearing on June 17th concerning the Role and Responsibility of Commercial Air Carriers and Employees. The issues that were uncovered in the NTSB hearing on Continental Connection flight 3407 concerning: industry scheduling practices, training, and pilot compensation are not unique to Continental Connection, nor are they unique to so-called commuter and regional airlines. It appears that a total review and reset need to be applied to these unsustainable practices within the industry.

This letter is a collaborative effort by a grassroots group of airline pilots. Our intent is to describe some of the challenges that we face daily. Being a collaborative effort, some of your senate peers may receive copies from their constituents. You will also likely receive multiple copies of this letter from other pilots as a means of reinforcing, to you, our seriousness about these issues. Many of our pilots will be watching the hearing; we look forward to listening to your discussions with industry leaders. Please feel free to share this with other members of your senate committee.

Our desire is that you address the concerns disclosed in the attachment to focus your comments and drive solutions during the upcoming hearings. We believe that these issues are the very ones that may be avoided by some of those industry leaders who appear before you. However, issues which are critical to the safety and long term viability of this industry.

Attached you will find a more detailed brief, as this is a complex subject; we hope you will understand the length of the attachment. Thank you for reading this letter. We praise your attention to this matter, your leadership, and work on the Senate Sub-committee on Aviation Safety.


Very Truly Yours,
XXXXX
XXXXXXRegional Airline


P. S. Please feel free to contact me, if I can be of assistance to you in these matters.

ATTACHMENT

Operational Issues, Challenges, and Failings in the Airline Industry
A grassroots effort

In the first weeks of September 2008 the American people came face to face with an extraordinary collapse of the U.S. Economic system. The resulting job losses, salary degradation, and business failures have resulted in urgent action on the part of the Federal Government to right the failures of the sinking economy for the benefit of the public. We wish to remind you, and the committee, that seven years earlier a single devastating event, the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001, had a similar impact on the air transport community and those employed in it. The financial and social damage that the greater population is now experiencing has been endured by Pilots, Flight Attendants, Mechanics and other airline industry workers now for nearly seven years. The upcoming senate hearing will not be complete without a thorough consideration of labor practices and government regulations, as they apply to the industry, and the impacts that low pay, fatigue, and training have on the overall safety and sustainability of the U.S. air transport industry.

Unfortunately many of these issues are not likely to be a focus of those representatives testifying at the upcoming hearings, save possibly for the airline unions. Therefore as a grass roots network, we wish to present some of the key issues related to these structural issues which we hope that the committee will address, understanding that these are seminal to the challenges that your committee and the industry now face. In the interest of being concise, we will highlight five critical issues that we must be addressed urgently to assure the continued sustainability of this industry.

Training Standards and Career Progression: Pilot training standards can vary widely within the industry; pilots can be trained as members of the U.S. Military, in aeronautical science programs at major universities, or through small local flight training schools. There also exists a network of flight training centers which provide accelerated training programs for those who endeavor to have a career as a professional pilot. However, the turnover and dynamics of the profession now make for pilots that move from the classroom environment to the captain’s seat of highly sophisticated air transport aircraft in as little as a couple of years. Thereby bypassing the years of experience gained through the careful career progression historically associated with professional aviation. Although, all of these methods of training have been available for many years, at no time has the succession of pilots from initial training to operating complex aircraft occurred so rapidly and haphazardly. The many years that pilots once spent, first as a Flight Engineer, then as a First Officer, finally in the last 10 to 15 years of their career; as a Captain, has now been compressed so that many lack the depth of experience that was once commonplace. This is not the result of irresponsibility on the part of airline pilots, or inadequacies in the training environment, but senator please consider the financial pressure to increase pay to a “livable” wage. For current pilots time “wasted” in lower positions will have a long term effect on income, quality of life, and insulation from adverse industry swings. The need to provide an income that is at least consistent with that of other skilled careers presses the need to advance as rapidly as possible. This makes the issue of pilot compensation central to the promotion of safety in this industry.

Compensation: Simply put the airlines do not pay their junior pilots a livable wage! Compound this with the lifestyle challenges that one must endure: hours away from home; additional unreimbursed expenses, like in-base apartments; in some cases child care expenses; or the fiscal challenges of a single income household, as the profession does not lend well to a full time working spouse, and it becomes obvious why many pilots are sleeping in crew rooms, surviving on Ramen Noodles, working multiple jobs on days off, and commuting long distances to reach their bases. Whereas thirty years ago a pilot job meant a good middle class lifestyle, it now often means a poverty lifestyle…at least until upgrade to a Captain seat at a major carrier. This in part explains the rush to upgrade, and the seeking of training shortcuts to try to get a seniority number as quickly as possible. It is interesting that in each of the last two major regional airline accidents. Delta Connection Flight 4191 in Lexington, Kentucky (operated by Comair), and Continental Connection Flight 3407 (operated by Colgan Air) the last recorded conversations of the ill-fated crews concerned career progression and longing for career improvement. The loss of Continental Connection 3407 has highlighted the abysmal pay of regional pilots and their more junior major airline counterparts. One might ask, “Why would airlines subject their flight crews to such abysmal working conditions?” The answer lies in the financial undermining of responsible regional carriers by their major airline partners.

Financial undermining of Responsible Carriers: The airline that one travels on today is often only a façade of the airline for which one has purchased a ticket. In fact, over 50% of the actual airline block hours flown in the U.S. are actually flown by a regional carrier affiliate. Most likely the passenger has no idea that they are not flying on the Airline from whom they have purchased a ticket. When one considers the amount of outsourcing of pilots, flight attendants, maintenance, ground personnel, and dispatchers, the major airlines are clearly on the path to becoming simply clearing houses of travel services; they provide no actual services themselves. In a effort to increase profits major carriers have put tremendous financial pressure on regional carriers to reduce cost in exchange for a contract. Some major carriers have gone as far as to engage in pay-to-play schemes requiring large cash contributions to the major carriers in exchange for being awarded a contract. Inevitably, this has made it more difficult for responsible regional/commuter airlines, with quality training and training facilities, respectable pay, safe scheduling practices, and good work rules to compete as they are unable to match bottom line costs. One can look no further than past Major-Regional relationships at United and Atlantic Coast Airlines, Delta and Comair, American and American Eagle, Continental and ExpressJet respectively to find examples of this Major vs. responsible regional carrier phenomena in action. A most recent and disturbing example of this is the plight of Midwest Airlines’ pilots whom have nearly all been released in order to outsource the majority of that flying to a regional carrier pilot group at significantly lower wages. It would be laughable to suggest that Midwest Airlines’ passengers are now being flown by crews with comparable levels of experience and knowledge under the current outsource agreement. However, management compensation is being preserved under the current arrangement. What is unfortunate is that air carriers are enjoying these protections through the manipulation, and circumventing of federal legislation intended to protect the viability and sustainability of air transportation, the Railway Labor Act!

Pilot Negotiations and the RLA: As you know the Railway Labor Act (RLA) was intended to prevent interruption to rail service as the result of labor action. During the rise of air transport, particularly the air mail service, the act was extended to include air carriers. We believe that the current practices of outsourcing and creation of proxy airlines fall outside of the spirit and intent of the RLA. Over the last 20 years major air carriers have effectively circumvented the negotiation process and the government mediation process to self-help. This is done by having a stand-by pool of replacement workers (in the form of outsource airlines) in place to leave airline pilots without the tools to negotiate from anything but a position of weakness. The Federal government has partnered with the airlines in this practice, by ignoring the pleas of pilots, destroying pilot contracts and pensions through the bankruptcy process, and having an overall laissez-fare attitude toward the labor side of the industry.

Fatigue and Crew Scheduling: Finally, the issues of crew scheduling and fatigue have been discussed referencing the Continental Connection Flight 3407 accident. We support the discussion and resolution of this issue. We can only encourage the senators to travel a four day trip with a regional flight crew (New York Based), to understand the realities of this type of flying. The Regional Airline Association and the subject carrier of flight 3407 would love nothing more than to be able to point the finger at the crew, imply irresponsibility, lack of professionalism, inaptitude and incompetence. However, as members of the Sub-committee Chair Senator Dorgan remarked during the FAA hearing, “fatigue probably has much more to do with this accident than is being said.” The realities of being based in Newark, the long sits, delays, multiple flight legs are frankly…exhausting! Often one does not experience fatigue until long after takeoff, and many times pilots engage in discussion (above or below 10,000 feet) in an effort of staying alert! A flight crew can be on duty for 16 hours, get eight hours of rest, then perform another 16 hours of duty and be entirely legal per FAA regulations. Consider that these eight hours of rest do not take into account travel to the hotel, falling asleep, waking, preparation for the next day’s duty, travel back to the airport, or the movement through time zones. Truly about 5 hours of sleep is a more realistic rest period on one of these “minimum rest” overnights. When commuting time is calculated, it is quite possible for a pilot to be operating an in excess of 24 hours prior to getting rest. The fatigue issue is particularly difficult for pilots, because airlines only pay pilots for actual flight time which starts at brake release and ends at door opening. Reduced duty time at current pay could translate to even lower pay for pilots, and could be the tipping point which would cause mass pilot exodus and industry crisis.



Thank you for reading this brief. We praise your attention to this matter, leadership, and work on the Senate Sub-committee on Aviation Safety. It appears that a total review needs to be applied to these unsustainable practices within the industry. We implore you to:


1) Address fatigue and crew scheduling issues, while preserving compensation. Require livable wages for critical airline workers whose labor negotiations are encumbered by government legislation.

2) End the questionable outsourcing of airline responsibilities to third party operators; address the use of regional airlines as simply low cost proxies of their mainline partners.

3) Amend the Railway Labor Act to protect the industry and labor as intended, without giving airline management unbalanced favor in the negotiation process. Permit regional airline labor groups to…at a minimum…negotiate contracts in unison with their major carrier counterparts under a single brand.
 
What if the FAA instituted a new rule designed to combat fatigue that required all flight crew to be in domicile 8 hours prior to starting a trip?
 
What if the FAA instituted a new rule designed to combat fatigue that required all flight crew to be in domicile 8 hours prior to starting a trip?

That would be bad for commuter like myself. :eek:
 
What if the FAA instituted a new rule designed to combat fatigue that required all flight crew to be in domicile 8 hours prior to starting a trip?

I think you have hit upon an important point albeit one that will be hard to enforce.

While more stringent rest rules are needed, the law of unintended consequence will be in play. More rest will mean longer days with less flying and more days in uniform. Commuting may become more difficult.

It would be interesting if someone with the program could create a maximum 10 or 12 hr duty day and see what happens to current scheduling practices. 12hrs from the time the door opens until it is closed again. PERIOD.

Also, I have never really understood the rational behind 'reduced rest' the way it is often used. It is like saying you can come to work slightly hammered IF you make sure you stay sober the next day for x hours. ???
 
I think you have hit upon an important point albeit one that will be hard to enforce.

While more stringent rest rules are needed, the law of unintended consequence will be in play. More rest will mean longer days with less flying and more days in uniform. Commuting may become more difficult.

It would be interesting if someone with the program could create a maximum 10 or 12 hr duty day and see what happens to current scheduling practices. 12hrs from the time the door opens until it is closed again. PERIOD.

Also, I have never really understood the rational behind 'reduced rest' the way it is often used. It is like saying you can come to work slightly hammered IF you make sure you stay sober the next day for x hours. ???

Yes you see where I was going with this. It is quite possible that if duty day is reduced we will be working with min days off (12 here) instead of the 18 a person of my seniority can bid.

Gone will be the 20 hour 3 days, and in will be the 12 hour 3 days. Lots of wasted time at hotels.

I have the same trip this month, a 25.2 hour 4 day that ends up crediting around 27-28 hours when it is all said and done. Duty days range from a high of 14 hours to a low of 9.5. 4-6 legs per day. I can say with certainty that I haven't felt fatigued on that trip.

However I've done other, lower credit trips with very early show times and have felt tired after the first leg or two.
 
That would be bad for commuter like myself. :eek:

It would be horrible. But then it would put the burden of rest on the pilot. If an aircraft were to crash again the NTSB would blame the pilot for not getting to domicile early enough to meet the FAA's required rest requirements.
 
Well, I start to commute about 18 to 24 hours prior to my report time. I usually get into my base about 12 hours or so before my report time for the trip.

As current economic and reduce capacity of airlines continues, it would be an interesting issue. weather and aircraft maintainence would be another issue. I have almost done 4 legs commute once due to weather at ORD.

I have spent enough time away from my family already. :rolleyes: I keep my fingers cross. :rolleyes:
 
Gone will be the 20 hour 3 days, and in will be the 12 hour 3 days. Lots of wasted time at hotels.

I come from apparently a different era when rigs were such that it required the airline to fly you. We had long days, true, but they flew us. When the rigs went, we got more 3:45 practice layovers as there was no incentive for the company to fly us.

However I've done other, lower credit trips with very early show times and have felt tired after the first leg or two.
Remember too that often the term 'fatigue' is used for being tired when fatigue is much broader.
Fatigue (also called exhaustion, lethargy, languidness, languor, lassitude, and listlessness) is a weariness.
(I can't remember when I felt languidness :D)

But it has to do with problems just thinking.. or 'cognitive impairment' to use jargon. There were days when I knew I was not operating at full capacity and I would advise the F/O to watch me like a hawk.
 
I come from apparently a different era when rigs were such that it required the airline to fly you. We had long days, true, but they flew us. When the rigs went, we got more 3:45 practice layovers as there was no incentive for the company to fly us.

We have a 2:1 duty rig and 4:1 trip rig. Even so, there are many many unproductive trips.
 
I am dumbfounded by the aviation subcommittee. I can see 2 reasons for their previous inaction about all this.

1. They somehow managed to remain blind to the fact that pilots are getting reamed by furlough and dumbed down pay scales. How that could possibly be the case, i have no idea.

2. The know fully well about this problem, but they refuse to do anything to help us. Whether it is appeasement, indifference, or a bribe issue it doesn't make a difference in my view. If this is the case then our Congress has officially become useless to the common man.

I am leaning towards the latter simply because Sullenberger already gave this whole speal to them and they shrugged it off. :mad:

It hasn't been until now that they trying to fix it because they are being practically FORCED to do something about it.
 
We have a 2:1 duty rig and 4:1 trip rig. Even so, there are many many unproductive trips.

The obvious is you are looking at it from a different perspective than those who count the beans. Were it not so, they would not be doing it. A lousy day for you costs them nothing and I doubt they care how many days you are on the line. QOL is not an issue for them.
 
I'm sure most of their constituents would love to pay $900 to go from Denver to Cheyenne. Too bad those morons haven't figured out the world does revolve around pilots. Didn't they see top gun?
 
You can write all you want, but the pay won't change. There's no "minimum doctor wage" or "minimum lawyer wage". If they change rest requirements, there's a huge chance commuting is going to be a lot more difficult and expensive. Airlines competing for routes is what's happened since deregulation. Don't half of you post in the political threads with all the fears about obama and communism? - it's just cool if it works for you?

I think y'alls enthusiasm is good, but you're just basically saying, "here's everything that's wrong with MY situation, fix it please" and not focusing on what's actually possible. My personal opinion is that getting the minimum flight requirements raised to be an FO would be a good step at making the pay and bennies increase - however, pilots will always work for free to try and get a leg up so the change will be difficult. A reduced duty day would be nice, and possibly achievable.

A group of airline-sympathetic non-propilots legislating your life, just be careful what you wish for - it might come true
 
I'm sure most of their constituents would love to pay $900 to go from Denver to Cheyenne. Too bad those morons haven't figured out the world does revolve around pilots. Didn't they see top gun?

Sarcasm aside, the bean counters and many if not most CEOs don't care about quality of life for the crews. Show up, fly, go away. The last airline CEO I worked for whom I thought cared about the people has long since passed away and his airline has also vanished.
 
I'm sure most of their constituents would love to pay $900 to go from Denver to Cheyenne. Too bad those morons haven't figured out the world does revolve around pilots. Didn't they see top gun?


Since I'm not allowed to call you ignorant, I'll just remind you of the time I did call you ignorant in an attempt to cause you to think about your comments...
 
Sarcasm aside, the bean counters and many if not most CEOs don't care about quality of life for the crews. Show up, fly, go away. The last airline CEO I worked for whom I thought cared about the people has long since passed away and his airline has also vanished.
Why work for these companies than?
 
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