Wreckless Or Right??

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The story below is of a Boston Medflight flight in March - the airport was closed, however the pilots determined they had ample runway to take off and fly a live saving organ donation flight.

Should their license be suspended, or did they evaluate the situation and should be able to use their judgment?

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Boston Air Charter pilots ignored the recent closing of Norwood Airport due to flooding and took off last Wednesday to deliver human organs to Boston for transplant.

The Norwood Airport Commission voted, 4 to 1, Tuesday afternoon to look into the case further before making a disciplinary decision. Commission member Kevin Shaughnessy voted against the motion.

“I think they should have their license suspended immediately,” he said. “It seems really reckless and careless. Though the intention seems good, there are rules here and the reason we have them is for safety.”

Two Boston Air flights took off from Runway 35, one at 4:40 p.m. and the other at 5:06 p.m.

“Boston Air Charter refused to obey the closure of the airport,” Airport Manager Russ Maguire said.

Boston Air’s chief pilot Douglas Lyons and attorney Paul Baccari defended the pilots’ actions Tuesday.

“We saw we had sufficient length and needed to get the organs out,” Lyons said. “I thought the runway was safe. Four pilots said it was dry.”

Boston Air Charter routinely flies organ donor flights, Lyons said.

The airport had been closed to all airplanes starting on the evening of March 15 after the Neponset River surged over the runways and taxiways during a multi-day rainstorm.

It’s the airport manager’s decision whether to close or not, according to local and state regulations, Maguire said.

“Our job is to protect the neighbors,” Shaughnessy said. “I think this is pretty serious.”

At 5:30 a.m. on March 15 all of the airport’s businesses, including Boston Air Charter, received an email about flooding of the Neponset River. After watching the river closely, Maguire sent out a second email at 9:13 p.m. saying that the airport was closed to all planes.

On March 16, the airport remained open only to helicopters because the runways, taxiways, and lights were still underwater.

The following day, Maguire said, three Federal Aviation Administration inspected the structural integrity of the runways. The FAA officials advised closing Runway 35 because of the water and debris on the ground, Maguire said.

Lyons disputed this. The runway was clear of debris, he said.

“I presumed that (Boston Air President Al Bishop) tried to talk to Russ Maguire,” Lyons said.

At 3:30 p.m. on March 17, Maguire said, he received a call from the tower telling him the two pilots wanted to depart.

“The control tower never gave them clearance,” Maguire said.

Maguire said he was concerned for the neighborhoods the planes flew over, including Ellis Avenue, Ellis Garden Playground, Washington Street, Neponset Street, and the Oldham School.

“All of those neighborhoods that they flew over could have been in danger hypothetically,” Maguire said.

Maguire asked why Boston Air Charter had not moved its planes elsewhere because the rain had been predicted for the area about a week ago.

“Aircraft should have been out of here before [the airport] was closed,” Commission member Leslie Leblanc said. “It shouldn’t have happened.”

The federal director of airport safety, Michael O’Donnell, contacted Maguire less than a day after the incidents, “concerned with the action of the Boston Air Charter,” Maguire said. “This underscores the lapse of judgment.”

Airport officials were also worried about birds getting caught in plane engines, which could cause them to fail.

“Birds are pretty common,” Lyons said. “We deal with bird concentration all the time.”

The state Department of Transportation and the FAA are investigating the situation.

“You save lives, we do the same things,” Maguire said. “We’re preventing loss of life. That is what we were doing when we closed the airport.”
 
I wasnt aware that an airport committee was in the position to take any action against a pilot's certificates.
 
“Our job is to protect the neighbors,” Shaughnessy said. “I think this is pretty serious.”


Maguire said he was concerned for the neighborhoods the planes flew over, including Ellis Avenue, Ellis Garden Playground, Washington Street, Neponset Street, and the Oldham School.

Because we all know airplanes can barely fly when there is water on the ground.

“All of those neighborhoods that they flew over could have been in danger hypothetically,” Maguire said.

Hypothetically all those neighborhoods could be in danger anytime aircraft are in the air. Hypothetically all those neighborhoods could be in danger when grandma leaves her curling iron on and leaves the house.

Maguire asked why Boston Air Charter had not moved its planes elsewhere because the rain had been predicted for the area about a week ago.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to move my airplanes because it's going to rain. Get over it.


“Aircraft should have been out of here before [the airport] was closed,” Commission member Leslie Leblanc said. “It shouldn’t have happened.”


Airport officials were also worried about birds getting caught in plane engines, which could cause them to fail.

Because the number of birds that get sucked into engines drastically increases after a rain storm? Shouldn't that be something to always worry about?


“Birds are pretty common,” Lyons said. “We deal with bird concentration all the time.”

Then maybe you should fix the bird problem. The birds don't know, nor do they care if the runway is closed or not. By the way, what the hell does this bird problem have to do with them moving a organ to save someones life again?

“You save lives, we do the same things,” Maguire said. “We’re preventing loss of life. That is what we were doing when we closed the airport.”

Yeah, but they're SAVING LIFES, not PREVENTING the loss of life.


So now it's not longer the pilot in command's authority, it's the airport manager's... A flooded runway is one thing, a wet runway is another. Sounds like it was just wet to me. But I wasn't there.
 
The Airport Manager at OWD isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Quite lazy. Snow removal under his direction is a nightmare. (written by someone who is at OWD maybe once or twice a year).
 
Actually saving a life and 'preventing the loss of life' are two entirely different things. I can't say that the pilots made the right or wrong decision, I wasn't there. But I'm sure that they probably understood the possible consequences of their actions, and still chose to move the cargo. They must have had a good reason.
 
I think they did the right thing as best they could. As long as the runway was safe, FOD free, and fit for takeoff then I say go. It's about damn time we stopped catering to irrational fear and let people who are highly trained decision makers do their jobs.
 
Is this a false dilemma? It seems to imply that the only way the patient would have survived is if this flight was taken, which while possible is probably unlikely. Could a competitor whose aircraft were not in a closed airport deliver the organs?


That said, I tend to agree that if the pilots felt that the runway was safe that should be good enough.


Also... since everything went OK it was wreck-less AND possibly right. It is better than being wreck-ful. The less wrecks the better!! :p
 
An old Examiner told me a story about how somebody tried to go after a helicopter pilot's certs for continuing to fly past some FAR-designated limitation. I don't recall the exact details, but the pilot in question was using the aircraft to rescue people from a dangerous situation.

He said something about a FAR that allows for that sort of thing, somewhere. I can't locate it, but I believe there is.

Either way, hats off to the pilots. I'm not a doctor.. but I'm fairly sure that organs designated for transplant and the patients that need them have a finite shelf life.

I'm forced to assume that the two pilots knew exactly what the cost of launching or not would be. Hats off to them.
 
Yeah it's pretty unclear from the hodgepodge of facts from that article.

I'd say they had a lot working against them. Not just the airport manager, but the FAA deemed that the runway should be closed on the day in question. It's unclear what the interaction was between the pilot and airport manager. I would think they could have persuaded him given the particular circumstances. I've been at an airport with a runway closed for minor maintenance and all it took was a quick yes from the manager to open it.

I'd say, as long as they made a reasonable effort to investigate alternate transportation (i.e. helicopter, ambulance, etc) for the time frame they had to work with, they should not be punished. If not, well, it was a closed runway and they took off from it. If there's not a regulation that allows time critical medical transport to deviate, maybe there should be.
 
Didn't we just have this debate somewhere about if you can or cannot use a closed runway. I have had to taxi and drive on closed surfaces before and always got the "use at your own risk", but ATC never stopped me.
 
I'd say they had a lot working against them. Not just the airport manager, but the FAA deemed that the runway should be closed on the day in question.

I may be off base here, but I don't believe the FAA is always directly involved with the issuance of a NOTAM. The airport manager can issue a NOTAM without the FAA ever setting foot on the property to evaluate the necessity of said NOTAM.

In this case, if the airport manager (or city council or whomever) wants the airport closed because of the water, they just make a phone call and it's done.
 
I wasnt aware that an airport committee was in the position to take any action against a pilot's certificates.

They're not, but they may be able to revoke or suspend Boston Air Charter's privilege to conduct business on airport property.
 
I will be willing to bet that the organs were not harvested at the airport.

Just what the air ambulance industry needs, more dumbasses who think the rules don't apply to them and that "lifeguard" status gives you carte blanche to disregard the regs and common sense.

Makes me wonder what other inconvenient rules they disregard in the name of "saving lives" :rolleyes:
 
The real question is can it be reckless if you remain wreckless?

I'd say they were probably Right regarding the safety of the runway, but certainly Stupid to blatantly disobey the closure. An administrative law judge would have to do a merry little jig indeed to let them off should the FAA pursue an action.
 
I will be willing to bet that the organs were not harvested at the airport.

Just what the air ambulance industry needs, more dumbasses who think the rules don't apply to them and that "lifeguard" status gives you carte blanche to disregard the regs and common sense.

Makes me wonder what other inconvenient rules they disregard in the name of "saving lives" :rolleyes:

I'm not part of BAC, but I do know they have a very respectable payroll. Certainly not a corps of "dumbasses."
 
I'm not part of BAC, but I do know they have a very respectable payroll. Certainly not a corps of "dumbasses."


Using a closed runway for a non inflight emergency to move an organ that could have been moved by ground or Helicopter = dumbass.

My rant is valid, assuming all facts given are accurate.
 
Using a closed runway for a non inflight emergency to move an organ that could have been moved by ground or Helicopter = dumbass.

My rant is valid, assuming all facts given are accurate.

Doesn't seem to be the most popular opinion here but I'm gonna agree with you. I wasn't there nor do I know what the weather was, but if the airport runway was closed, then IMO they shouldn't have gone. Again I don't know all the details but what if there was someone\something (equipment or vehicle) on the runway and a jet comes barreling down at them? Norwood is a stones throw from Boston, if the weather was even MVFR I don't see why they couldn't get a helicopter to Norwood to bring the organ back. I understand it's trying to save a life, but when I hear of stuff like this all I can think about is how many life flight aircraft have crashed because they were trying to 'save a life' and it ends up costing them not only the victims life but also their own.
 
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