Wow! Let's do what we used to do and call it new!

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PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Pittsburgh International could become the nation's first major airport to get the OK to abandon the post-September 11 rule that says only ticketed passengers are allowed past security checkpoints.

Federal security officials are considering allowing people once more to say their hellos and goodbyes to friends and loved ones at the gate.

Airport officials and western Pennsylvania's congressional delegation have pushed for two years for the change for reasons of money and passenger convenience.

What happens here could become a model for other airports.

"This is new, this is exciting, because we're basically rewriting the security directives in order to allow nonticketed passengers to go through security," said JoAnn Jenny, spokeswoman for the Allegheny County Airport Authority, which runs the airport.

Pittsburgh is a strong candidate for the experiment for two reasons: It has a centralized security checkpoint in one terminal. And it has a full-scale shopping mall that has suffered a drop-off in business because it is reachable only by ticketed passengers.

If the change is approved, people without tickets will have to go through security just like passengers. They will be checked with metal detectors and may have to empty their pockets and handbags and take off their shoes.

Plan could take effect by summer

"I think you'd find most Americans would agree and go along with this idea," said Brian Muth of Reynoldsville.

Muth and his wife are hosting an exchange student from Ecuador, Lorena Lopez. On Tuesday, Sharon Muth bid a tearful farewell, on this side of security, to the girl's parents after they paid a short visit.

And Muth cried again when she thought of bringing Lorena back to the airport in June, knowing the teen might be alone when she boards her flight home.

"Lorena's just become part of our family," she said, dabbing tears with a tissue.

Officials with the federal Transportation Security Administration met recently with Pittsburgh officials and expect to review a rough draft of the plan later this spring. It could take effect by summer if approved by the Homeland Security Department, Jenny said.

Certain issues still need to be worked out, such as how to prevent the people without tickets from holding up passengers during peak travel times.

"There's a customer service benefit to be had here, but at the end of the day, the security of the flying public at the Pittsburgh airport is going to come before anything else," said Ann Davis, TSA's Northeast regional spokeswoman. "And I think passengers appreciate that."

In the security crackdown in the weeks after September 11, the Federal Aviation Administration said the nation's airports may no longer allow people without tickets past security checkpoints. It was among several security measures, some of which have since been relaxed, such as a ban on curbside pickups and the parking of cars close to terminals.

Exceptions to rule

In certain hardship cases -- say, if an airline passenger is disabled, cannot speak English or is a child -- a friend or family member can get a pass to go through security and accompany the traveler.

At the Pittsburgh airport, for example, Lorena Lopez accompanied her parents Tuesday because they do not speak English. And Jackie Crusan was allowed to go through security with her friend, Devin Seeger, because he broke both his legs while performing in a dirt bike show in Pennsylvania.

And in January, the TSA started allowing military families to accompany soldiers to airline gates.

But everybody else still says their goodbyes on this side of the security apparatus, which experts say discourages some people from traveling and keeps well-wishers from spending more money in the nation's airports.

One industry expert said the Pittsburgh plan makes sense because airports need all the revenue they can find.

If the airport can make more money from merchant leases and parking fees, it can cut the rates airlines are charged to use the terminal, said Stephen Van Beek of the Airport Councils International-North America, a trade group.

That revenue is especially important in Pittsburgh, where US Airways, which controls about 80 percent of the gates, has been threatening to leave because of higher-than-average gate fees.

The Pittsburgh airport has a genuine shopping mall, Airmall, inside the main terminal, with 100 stores and restaurants -- not just concession stands and souvenir shops, but brand-name establishments with the kind of prices found at an ordinary shopping center.

Mark Knight, regional manager for Airmall operator BAA USA Inc., said business is down about 12 percent in the past year. He said nearly half of that that is due to the security rule, while the rest is attributable to a drop in passengers caused by US Airways, which is cutting flights because of the gate fees.

"In this economy that other 4 or 5 percent could mean the difference between success and failure" for an Airmall business, Knight said.

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I'm all for the idea but getting through the lame ... err "enhanced" security checkpoints with only ticketed passengers is time consuming enough. Although, if it gets to be too much of a hassle maybe they'll be forced to fix the checkpoint problems... yeah, sure.
 
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And it has a full-scale shopping mall...
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Calling that a shopping mall is like calling a Avro85 a heavy. Sure it's got wings and 4 engines, but it just ain't a heavy. And there you have my crappy analogy for the day.

Ethan
 
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sounds cool, a step in the right direction (i guess? we are getting back to normal ways like we intend to i guess?) make travelling a lot easier for everyone in the area, but it wasnt too congested before...maybe we can start something, and pull the city out of the massssssssiiiivvvvveeeee debt we're in!
 
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It's about time! It is the little things like that, that I missed with the anal retentive policies. I have always contended so long as security does their job at those checkpoints, it shouldn't matter a great deal who goes through to the gates.

If the TSA is still concerned, then station armed military personnel at airports to roam the concourses . . . when I visited Paris in 2000 and saw cops/troops with machine guns, I could sense they aren't playing around and felt a little more secure.
 
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If non-ticketed people are going to be allowed to pass through security (which I think is fine) the TSA must improve the efficiency of the screening process! The lines are bad enough now at certain times, it will only be worse if more people are allowed through if there are no changes to the system.
 
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I was never really in favor of non-ticketted people past security anyway. There's already a shortage of places to sit waiting for your flight.
 
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With USAir shrinking like it is at PIT it has gotten pretty easy to find a place to sit these days.

Ethan
 
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What a bad idea. Whats the difference in saying good bye before security then saying goodbye 30 min later. Get ready for longer lines. Who comes up with this stuff!
 
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I can see both sides of this. I used to love going to the airport to either meet family or see them off. You got to spend a little extra time, AND you got to check out the cool planes up close. Now you can't even find a decent spot OFF airport to watch planes. People are too terrified of someone with a shoulder fired missile. Yeah,. we kicked the crap out of Iraq (and now it seems like they are turning the tables on us), but in my opinion, the terrorists won. We're afraid of our own shadow now.

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Letting non-ticketed pax through security (if done properly) should be perfectly safe. After all, security is meant to be a "choke point" to screen potential baddies. The only problem I see is TSAs really really slooooooooow progress. I've seen little old lady screeners stare at the x-ray machine like it was episode of Matlock. If we can get TSA (or whoever is doing it after Nov) to get pax and non-pax through quickly and safely, I'm all for it. As far as not enough places to sit waiting for your flight, I guess that means the flight is mostly full. And that's...... a good thing.
 
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History my friend... History. It's not like this wasn't the way things were done since before deregulation. However, I do agree that with security being the way it is now (at the checkpoints) it is going to take forever to get through when the number of people doubles or triples. I just hope they leave open "express" lanes for ticketholders only.

Ethan
 
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And it has a full-scale shopping mall...
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Calling that a shopping mall is like calling a Avro85 a heavy. Sure it's got wings and 4 engines, but it just ain't a heavy. And there you have my crappy analogy for the day.

Ethan

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Have you been to KPIT ?!?!

"It's a mall" is an understatement.
 
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Not so much the saying goodbye, but moreso IMO having the family right there waiting to welcome you back as soon as you step off the ramp that I enjoyed.
 
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Have you been to KPIT ?!?!

"It's a mall" is an understatement.

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Wait... Now I'm confused... Are you saying it is a mall? Or it isn't?

Ethan
 
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What a bad idea. Whats the difference in saying good bye before security then saying goodbye 30 min later. Get ready for longer lines. Who comes up with this stuff!

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You're acting like this is some crazy idea that has never been thought of before. Non ticketed people have always (untill recently) been able to walk to the gate. I can remember just 3 years ago, when I went to France, my mother and my sister wwent with me to the gate to say goodbye. This was at the Delta International Terminal. Just goes to show you how far security has come in these past couple of years.
 
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Have you been to KPIT ?!?!

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Wait... Now I'm confused... Are you saying it is a mall? Or it isn't?

Ethan

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I'm saying it is a mall. Have you been there? It's basically a huge mall with planes outside.
 
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Here you have never been able to go to the gate (atleast since I've been alive) if you didn't have a boarding pass. I honestly don't see what the big deal is with people having to go all the way to the gate. In my opinion the security lines get long enough already and more people will just make the process take longer. Also for security, the more people you have in the gate areas, the more people you have to worry about. The extra people can even just cause problems and confusion while people try to catch their flights. Having people to greet you or say good-bye at the airport is nice, but I feel the gate area should be reserved for people actually flying.
 
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You always have been able to say your hellos and goodbyes at the gate in Oz, that never changed.

They tried but the public werent happy with that!

Cheers
 
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What a bad idea. Whats the difference in saying good bye before security then saying goodbye 30 min later. Get ready for longer lines. Who comes up with this stuff!

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You're acting like this is some crazy idea that has never been thought of before. Non ticketed people have always (untill recently) been able to walk to the gate. I can remember just 3 years ago, when I went to France, my mother and my sister wwent with me to the gate to say goodbye. This was at the Delta International Terminal. Just goes to show you how far security has come in these past couple of years.

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I understand that, i didnt fall off the turnip truck yesterday either. But how many security lines have you seen recently? Some places dont have the room to create more secuity lines and are already backed up. I just cant believe they are going to do this. If they have moe people to screen, more delays, or they are going to do less thorough work. I For one would rather not sacrifice safety for this.
 
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I'm a little torn over the change.

On one hand, it's not really that big of a deal to enable some people without a ticket, as long as their screened.

But on the other hand, at airports like SLC, I'd see like 30 people in the gate area to greet one person returning from "mission".

I dunno!
 
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But on the other hand, at airports like SLC, I'd see like 30 people in the gate area to greet one person returning from "mission".


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How true it is...
 
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