Why are all CFI Initial Checkrides Conducted by FSDO?

Revolutionist

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I have almost always heard of CFI Initial Checkrides being administered by FSDO. But what is the reasoning to some flight schools, such those in areas such as Florida, being able to send their CFI Initial students to non-FSDO check pilots?
 
There is no law stating that an FAA inspector must conduct an initial ride. As a practice, this is done. If the FSDO gets overloaded though, they may designate a qualified DPE to accomplish the ride. You do not get your choice of who it is, the FAA specifies who. Florida, being training central in the US, uses DEs the most.
 
They arent all conducted at a FSDO. The only factor that I have heard that determines if the FSDO will allow the use of a DPE would be if there is a big backlog of scheduled exams (1 month+ usually).


But to answer the question of why the FSDO has the say-so: I would assume so they can have a hand in the quality of instruction being passed on to the next group of aspiring pilots. Some DPE's have a reputation for being a bit lax and they probably want to avoid prospective CFI's flocking to such examiners for the 'easy' checkride.
 
It all depends on how busy the FSDO is at the time. They can do the rides themselves or have qualified DPE's do them. Florida is busy for initial check rides...at least they were when ATP and other schools were churning out many CFI candidates each month.

My initial CFI multi was done in Florida with Mr. Black. Tough, fair, and I learned a lot during the oral and flight portion. Best part of the day was hearing him say "alright, I guess you pass."
 
There is no law stating that an FAA inspector must conduct an initial ride. As a practice, this is done. If the FSDO gets overloaded though, they may designate a qualified DPE to accomplish the ride. You do not get your choice of who it is, the FAA specifies who. Florida, being training central in the US, uses DEs the most.

Yes, it is a law (Order, actually). It is not done as a practice, but it is required. They may only outsource it in certain circumstances.


http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?docId=A6018EF51590B0008525734F0076665F

5-499 FAA CONDUCT OF INSTRUCTOR PRACTICAL TESTS.

A. Contact With Flight Instructor Community. The General Aviation Safety Audit and other sources indicated that the FAA needed closer contact with the flight instructor community. Therefore, the FAA resumed the responsibility of conducting practical tests for initial issuance of flight instructor certificates. Flight instructor examiner (FIE) designations were withdrawn for the purpose of conducting these practical tests. However, the FAA still authorizes the FIEs to conduct practical tests for the renewal, reinstatement, and addition of a rating to a flight instructor certificate.

B. Public Complaint. After this policy was implemented, the FAA received complaints from the public and some Regional Flight Standards Division (RFSD) managers that applicants for flight instructor practical tests were experiencing excessive delays in obtaining appointments at some Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO). An investigation of these complaints revealed that such delays had occurred.

1) The FAA intends to continue conducting initial flight instructor certifications, but recognizes that conditions sporadically occurring at some FSDOs may cause lengthy or unacceptable delays in administering flight instructor practical tests.

2) RFSD managers may authorize individual FSDOs to designate highly qualified FIEs to conduct practical tests for the initial issuance of the flight instructor certificate according to the following procedures:

a) FSDOs may designate to conduct flight instructor practical tests for the initial issuance of the flight instructor certificate with RFSD manager’s approval. When an appointment cannot be made with an FAA ASI within 2 weeks, the FSDO may direct an applicant to a selected FIE, in accordance with the following:

1. The FSDO must:

· Review the qualifications of FIEs or other examiners whom it deems highly qualified,
· Create a pool of the most qualified examiners to administer initial flight instructor practical tests,
· Notify the examiners that they are being considered to administer the tests, and
· Inform the examiners that administering the tests is subject to approval by the RFSD manager and to cancellation, at any time and without cause, by the FSDO.

2. The examiner must consent to conduct such tests.

3. When allowed, the FSDO will direct applicants to an FIE nearest the applicant’s location. When several examiners are available within a 50-mile radius of the applicant, the FSDO should select examiners on a rotating basis.

b) Each FSDO must obtain advance approval from the RFSD manager before designating examiners to conduct the initial flight instructor practical test. FSDOs must submit justification for the request, including enough information on ASI resources and applicant demand, to enable the region to determine if that FSDO cannot serve the applicants within 2 weeks. Before approving the request, the region should determine whether other FSDOs adjacent to that office are also unable to conduct the tests.

c) When conditions indicate only a short-term demand for testing services, such as completion of a semester or training class, the region may limit the period when a FSDO may refer applicants to FIEs .

d) RFSD managers will maintain documentation for such authorizations granted. In addition, they will review FSDO policies on this subject at least annually to determine if existing FIE designation procedures are needed.

3) This initiative is deemed necessary to ensure that the FAA continues to meet its obligations to initial flight instructor applicants in a timely manner while providing the highest level of safety.

4) It must be emphasized that the use of this policy is limited to those instances when an applicant cannot be scheduled for a practical test within 2 weeks of the original request. FSDOs are expected to conduct initial flight instructor certification practical tests whenever resources are available.
 
all of the CFI initals are done in house at OU

Since when? When I went to SOSU all Oklahoma schools went to Wiley post for the imfamous CFI initial. That was only 3 years ago..... On a side note, at the busy time of the year it wasn't uncommon for a 2 month wait. When they get over that our DE would be allowed to do the checkrides for us.
 
Since when? When I went to SOSU all Oklahoma schools went to Wiley post for the imfamous CFI initial. That was only 3 years ago..... On a side note, at the busy time of the year it wasn't uncommon for a 2 month wait. When they get over that our DE would be allowed to do the checkrides for us.

2 month wait? Wow....
 
I've seen the same in the ABQ area.

you would think that eventually if the wait was touching anywhere near that close then they would at least try to get a good chunk of that to the DPE's. If nothing more than to catch up a bit.
 
you would think that eventually if the wait was touching anywhere near that close then they would at least try to get a good chunk of that to the DPE's. If nothing more than to catch up a bit.

They state that it is the policy of the SW Region not to farm out any initial CFIs. Nothing you can do about it. I scheduled one ride 3 months prior; one week prior they cancelled and rescheduled for over a month later.
 
Mine was done by a person with one huge eye in the center of their forehead and they appeared to be born with a yoke in their hand. :sarcasm:
 
The explanation I was given used the analogy of a copy machine:

The first time you copy a document it's pretty close in quality to the original. If you take that copy and copy it, it starts to get a little faded. If you take that 3rd copy and copy it, some of the text starts to break up. By the 10th or 15th time it's often barely ledgeable. The FAA wants to keep making "originals".

Maybe a load of crap, but I guess that's the way they look at it.
 
To be blunt and to the point, it is common knowledge that (most)Designated Examiners do not give a check ride as complete and thorough as the FSDO. That's sad, but that is the case.

There was a time when DE's gave ALL checkrides, including CFI, and the FAA busted a bunch of DE's selling the CFI Certificate....'nuff said.
 
There is no law stating that an FAA inspector must conduct an initial ride. As a practice, this is done. If the FSDO gets overloaded though, they may designate a qualified DPE to accomplish the ride. You do not get your choice of who it is, the FAA specifies who. Florida, being training central in the US, uses DEs the most.

According to one of the DE's in the southwest, Arizona (mainly the PHX area) issues more certificates yearly than Florida and California combined. With that being said, I have heard that the Scottsdale FSDO does ALL CFI initial checkrides. Not only that, but I have also heard that they are notorious for 12-14 hour orals! (Insert joke here):crazy:
 
Because a DPE gets paid a flat fee. No way is he going to sit you down for 8 hours in a little room and ask you to explain center of lift for the seventeenth time (CORRECTLY, THIS TIME, PLEASE!). A government bureaucrat, however...he's on salary, baby!

My CFI-A was far and away the hardest thing I've ever done in flying, and I flatter myself that I've done a few things that others would characterize as at least mildly challenging. This is as it should be. Personally, I find the notion of puppymills being able to give CFIs hilarious and frightening, in about equal measure.
 
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