What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator?

AKcharger

AKcharger

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Good day everyone

I'm doing my initial SF340 sim checkout here in Minneapolis. What is the proper way to log Level D sim time in my personal log book?

- Do I count it only as "SIM" time or do I add other times like ME, turbine, and landings?
- The sim instructor is a company captain/ATP but not a CFI...will he still need to sign the logbook entry?

Thanks in advance!

Bill
 
I don't log at all.

If you do, it's only sim sim.

No me, no turbine, no total.

Truthfully the time is worthless in the logbook as you'll add mountains more of real time once you hit the line
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

I still log it under the sim column... and on a couple of occasions I did have people sign my book for me - more for my own 'memories' than for anything (because, trust me... after a few PC's you won't remember anything from one sim session to another) like when the 75 yr. old ex-TWA mad-dog driver gave me my final ride then after my PC check. Or, when I passed my first 121 line check. That sort of thing.
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

Whether you may log landing or not depends on the sim's authorization. Each one has a list of the maneuvers that can be logged in it. Generally, a Level D should be usable for landings that count.

On the other stuff, the short answer is that a sim is not an aircraft. So while it duplicates an aircraft, it's not really it's not really SE or ME, etc.

61.51 requires that instruction be signed off by the instructor in order to count. But a question: is the ATP/Captain also a CFI? Or are you relying on his ATP and you both work for the same company as pilots? The ability of an ATP to give loggable instruction under 61.167 is limited to this
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

Didn't log the sim for the CRJ. You'll have a couple hundred hours or more next year so the sim really won't help you out, IMO

EDIT: won't help you as far as adding it to the log book (Not the sim won't help you for your training :eek: haha
 
I don't/didn't log mine.

Sheer laziness and well, it's not like actually flying a real 767! :)
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

Thanks guys, I was mostly interested in staying inst. current before I hit the line

AK
 
I log it for landings, which is necessary when you only get 1-2 landings a month. But like Doug said, the sim doesn't really fly or land like the jet. *shrug*
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

Houston said:
Yes. The engines in a real 767 don't quit at V1 on every third takeoff.
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...and I've always wondered why when it's my turn to fly in the simulator, the weather always improves to 1600 RVR...
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

One additional item to consider. I've said in this and other logging threads that logging is a combination of (a) what is permitted by the logging regs and (b) good bookkeeping practices.

If you are using an electronic logbook (that you didn't create), you'll want to pay attention to how the program or app author defines the fields for bookeeping and search/filtering capability (which is really what it's all about).

For example, I know of one has you identify a sim by what it is designed to represent. So, a Frasca Cirrus SR22 is defined as an SR22 but you use SIM to start the tail number. As you enter the data, it looks like you're treating it as an airplane (which its not) but the SIM in the tail number tells the program to treat it as a simulator and the apps output complies with the requirements for separating device time from flight time.
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

Doug Taylor said:
...and I've always wondered why when it's my turn to fly in the simulator, the weather always improves to 1600 RVR...
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Must be nice..we always get 100 foot ceilings for one of our approaches. If we are lucky the autopiot will work. If not it is hand flown to 100 1/2...

takeoffs are 600/600/600 with the V1 cut...

The fun one is when you hear O'#$% from the back and just do your best when the instructor's station wigs out and orders up it's own sadistic combination of emergencies...have to love 1960's Singer made technology...

dual engine failure with loss of 1/2 your hydraulics at 400'...
 
My sim favorite was "XXX, fly the donut 1 departure, cleared for takeoff."

Braking action nil, 50 knot crosswind, engine failure, blown tire... :)
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

Training dept here said they'd make fun of us if we asked them to sign our logbook :rolleyes:
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

Well if I'm not mistaken i believe your log book has to be signed after each sim lesson if applying for a SIC type rating to prove 121 company training IAW 61.15
 
Re: What's the proper way to log time in a Level D simulator

ooops....IAW 61.55 not 61.15.

61.15 is for DUI actions :-)
 
AKcharger said:
Well if I'm not mistaken i believe your log book has to be signed after each sim lesson if applying for a SIC type rating to prove 121 company training IAW 61.15
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I believe that's covered by company training files/folders that should be signed after every lesson
 
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