What is the normal time and cost for IFR training?

[atomic20v]

Already have a PPL, going for instrument rating.

My FBO has changed ops since I did PPL. I did my PPL in C152 in 51 hours for around $6,000. But my instructor didn't charge me for ground and only instruction for engine time.

The new manager is requiring all instructors to bill 2-3 hours for flight time plus mandatory 40 hours ground training. I was expecting the cost of the IFR to be about the same as PPL and a little shorter time, but now I am not so sure. I am assuming the new management is doing this purely to create revenue by charging students more.

This is for fun, I am not going commercial. What is a reasonable time and cost for IFR rating in a PA29-161? My current time is 70hrs.

 

[moxiepilot]

whatever the answers you get, my recommendation is to walk away from htis FBO. Mandatory ground? Is there some information were not being given here?

 

[v1valarob]

Already have a PPL, going for instrument rating.

My FBO has changed ops since I did PPL. I did my PPL in C152 in 51 hours for around $6,000. But my instructor didn't charge me for ground and only instruction for engine time.

The new manager is requiring all instructors to bill 2-3 hours for flight time plus mandatory 40 hours ground training. I was expecting the cost of the IFR to be about the same as PPL and a little shorter time, but now I am not so sure. I am assuming the new management is doing this purely to create revenue by charging students more.

This is for fun, I am not going commercial. What is a reasonable time and cost for IFR rating in a PA29-161? My current time is 70hrs.

So they want to charge you for 40 hours up front??

Sounds sketchy, I would probably walk away.

I will say however there is alot of ground to go along with IFR, lots of rules. I would work on the IFR written before starting flying.

 

[atomic20v]

So they want to charge you for 40 hours up front??

Sounds sketchy, I would probably walk away.

I will say however there is alot of ground to go along with IFR, lots of rules. I would work on the IFR written before starting flying.

The FBO policy is that ground training must be accomplished following the Jeppesen syllabus to the T -- home study credit is not permitted for the course, which is 141.

The cost is not up front, but as you go. I.e., you can't go for chk ride until you have that ground.

 

[moxiepilot]

drop that like a sack of rotten potatoes. go to another FBO, even if it means driving an extra 1/2 hour. You''ll savce money in the long run

 

[minitour]

Well, under 141 you will have to follow the syllabus. If it says 40 hours of ground, then you need 40 hours of ground.

Take a look through the syllabus, see what it requires and do the math. That will get you what is the minimum you'll pay. You can then decide from there.

-mini

 

[atomic20v]

drop that like a sack of rotten potatoes. go to another FBO, even if it means driving an extra 1/2 hour. You''ll savce money in the long run

I don't mind paying my instructor for ground time. What bothers me is that the FBO takes a huge cut of that. Since my instructor isn't affiliated with the FBO, it seems like kind of a waste. Would it be cheaper to do it part 61? The concern was that Part 61 required 50 hrs XC time, which would be more expensive since I hardly have any at all right now. Is it true that 141 IFR training does not require the 50 hrs XC to go for chk ride?

 

[minitour]

I don't mind paying my instructor for ground time. What bothers me is that the FBO takes a huge cut of that. Since my instructor isn't affiliated with the FBO, it seems like kind of a waste.

Something doesn't add up.

The instructor, to teach under a 141 syllabus/TCO, has to have annual "training" given by the chief flight instructor. He has to be authorized to teach that program. That doesn't mean he has to be an employee, but there's still a connection.

Can you clarify this a little bit? How is he not affiliated with the FBO?

Would it be cheaper to do it part 61?

Perhaps. Depends.

The concern was that Part 61 required 50 hrs XC time, which would be more expensive since I hardly have any at all right now.

A valid concern.

Is it true that 141 IFR training does not require the 50 hrs XC to go for chk ride?

Perhaps.

Depends on the syllabus. Typically? Yes, that's true.

-mini

 

[jhugz]

If someone comes to me wanting to do there instrument part 61 w/ little x-country time we just do a 50 nm x-country every lesson. Real easy to do and still get all the instrument stuff in.

 

[atomic20v]

He is checked out by the chief to teach, but does not currently teach any students as he has another job. All the other instructors there are full-time employees of the FBO. So it's legal.

Question: To do part 61, is the 50 hrs XC requirement to start the training or to take the checkride? And does it have to be solo? Since I have 20 hrs XC already, and I will acquire 30 hrs XC during instrument training, that would meet the reg without any additional expense. Or do I need 50 hrs prior to enrolling?

Anyway, back to the main topic, can anyone give me some numbers of typical IFR training costs in a PA28-161? I want to make sure I am not getting ripped.

 

[minitour]

He is checked out by the chief to teach, but does not currently teach any students as he has another job. All the other instructors there are full-time employees of the FBO. So it's legal.

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. I was getting a little lost.

Question: To do part 61, is the 50 hrs XC requirement to start the training or to take the checkride? And does it have to be solo? Since I have 20 hrs XC already, and I will acquire 30 hrs XC during instrument training, that would meet the reg without any additional expense. Or do I need 50 hrs prior to enrolling?

50 PIC Cross Country to take the checkride.
Just PIC, not necessarily solo.

-mini

 

[itsbfinch]

I believe they changed the 50 hours of pic to 10 hours of pic cross country. In the new final rule from october. I know its not in the newly published regs yet. I can't remember maybe it was for something else though. I thought I remember reading it, because it essentially makes doing it 141 pointless now, unless your using VA benefits.

 

[amjon]

I don't mind paying my instructor for ground time. What bothers me is that the FBO takes a huge cut of that. Since my instructor isn't affiliated with the FBO, it seems like kind of a waste. Would it be cheaper to do it part 61? The concern was that Part 61 required 50 hrs XC time, which would be more expensive since I hardly have any at all right now. Is it true that 141 IFR training does not require the 50 hrs XC to go for chk ride?

I don't see the 50 hrs XC as a big deal. If you do decide to do commercial, you will need it then anyway. You can do some of it along with your instructor and do instrument dual at the same time. Plus, you will probably end up paying for less ground with part 61.

 

[rd757]

I did my Instrument the Part 61 route.... built my 50hrs PIC XC splitting time with people from our flight school. Wasn't a big deal to do, and got to visit some awesome airports including flying all the way down to Florida and back from Michigan over our winter break. I started my Instrument with 70hrs and took my ride in Florida with 150hrs...

Looking back, I could have spent less money elsewhere, but I enjoyed my time building, our aircraft are nice and my instructor is awesome. (Grammar check?)

Find somewhere you like and go for it!