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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article979536.ece

A WITNESS told last night how he looked into the despairing eyes of the pilot before his plane ploughed into a house.
People on the ground also saw the faces of terrified passengers at the stricken executive jet’s windows as it screamed low overhead.
Dad-of-four Jason Murrell, 39, said: “I saw it coming straight at us. I looked into the eyes of the pilot and a female passenger.
“I thought it was going to hit our house and kill us — looking up I could see the terror in the passengers’ eyes as they whizzed past.
“The plane was so close you could see the panic on their faces.
“The pilot was struggling to bank away from our house and a terrified woman was staring straight at me. I’ll never forget that sight.”
The five who died were two crew and three passengers, on a motor racing trip to Pau in south-west France in the Cessna Citation 501.
Hero pilot Mike Roberts, 63, was killed along with former Formula One driver David Leslie, 54, and Richard Lloyd, 63.
Mr Roberts, who lived in Effingham, Surrey, was director of Flight Consultancy Services, based at Biggin Hill.
A freak bird strike was one theory put forward for yesterday’s crash near Biggin Hill airport, Kent.
Moments after taking off, the pilot sent a mayday message after “severe engine vibrations” and tried to return to the airfield.
But the twin-engined jet hit the house roof and exploded in a fireball as hero Mike desperately tried to crash in open fields.
The owners of the house in Farnborough, Kent, Eddie Harman, 72, and wife Patricia, 68, were away.
No one on the ground was seriously hurt.
Last night Eddie Harman told his brother Peter: “I’m lucky to be alive. If I hadn’t been on holiday I’d be dead.”
Jason went on: “I ran outside because my two young girls were out playing. I could see the plane going into the houses.
“The pilot was trying to clear the estate. He banked to the right towards some woods and battled to clear the houses but it crashed and exploded.
“He was a real hero. He did his best. It’s a miracle more people weren’t killed.
“People were scrambling out of their homes and shouting. One house was completely gone and another one was on fire. An elderly man had collapsed and his daughter was hysterical.
“I rushed towards the crash but there was a wall of fire blocking my path. It was so hot and powerful, there was nothing you could do for them. No one could have survived that.”
Other residents told how their estate was rocked by two massive explosions as the almost-full fuel tanks caught fire and blew up.
Tom Walker, 16, said: “I could see people in the plane looking terrified. It was coming in way too low, then all of a sudden the tail end of the plane dipped. We knew it was going down.
“The aircraft then flipped over on its side, as if the pilot was trying to dodge something.
“He would have known by then he was doomed but he was obviously trying not to hit houses.”
Gary Walcraft, 16, was one of about 20 people playing football on a playing field when he saw the jet heading for them.
He said: “I could see someone in the plane waving frantically at us to get out of the way but at the last second he gained a little height. I could see them grappling with the controls.
“You could make out two people in the cockpit, fighting to pull up. They didn’t stand a chance.”
The three bedroom house at No 5 Romsey Close was destroyed by the impact and blaze. The garage of neighbouring No 4 was wrecked.
Martin Muscatt, 44, said: “The plane was skimming the roofs and was at a bizarre angle, with the nose in the air. There was a ball of fire. A car outside No5 blew up.”
John Crane, one of the first on the scene, said: “There were two or three explosions — the fuel tanks. It was so fierce you couldn't get near.”
Karl Roe, 31, said: “It was total carnage, like a war zone.”
Kevin and Gill Wood, at No 4 Romsey Close had a lucky escape with their kids Tom, four, and George, one.
A neighbour said: “Kevin was out playing tennis. Gill was in the house with her parents. Their kids were playing in the back garden.”
The boys’ grandfather was rushed to hospital suffering from heart problems brought on by the shock.
A neighbour of the pilot Mike Roberts said he lived alone and did not appear to have children.
Singh Bamrah, 58, the owner of a maintenance company at Biggin Hill, said: “We had known each other for 20 years. He was one of the nicest men in the world.”
Another pilot landing at the Kent airfield heard the tragedy unfold over the radio.
John Sidbury told Sky News he heard the mayday call and could hear emergency alarms going off in its cockpit.
A few seconds later the Cessna “nose-dived out of the sky, the radio went dead and black smoke came up”.
Father-of-three Mr Lloyd, the boss of Apex Motorsport, who was also a former touring car champion was based in Buckinghamshire.
He was also a veteran driver who came second in the famous Le Mans race in 1985.
During the late 1960s, he managed Cliff Richard and the Shadows.
Last night, his wife Philippa, 56, and daughters Sophie, 28 Chloe, 26 and Amy, 22, were “devastated”.
 
Wow - being able to see faces .... in a jet as it "whizzes by". Those folks must be superhuman. :rolleyes:
Oh, the wonder of the media, pawning off a desperate/emotional story, combined with the wonder of eyewitnesses and their 15 seconds of 'fame'.

Sad that there was a crash, but to trying to add some sadistic horror story to the report is somewhat irresponsible in my view. Report on facts, not what eyewitnesses think they saw. The people who think 11.Sept was a conspiracy rely heavily on eyewitnesses who claim the aircraft looked like military aircraft. These are the same people who couldn't tell you the difference between an A320 and a B737, but you're basing your arguments on these "experts" in aircraft identification?

Point is, it must've sucked for everyone on board. We don't need people exaggerating what really happened. A plane crashed. Everyone wishes it didn't. He avoided hitting the kids on the football pitch, which is some good in the situation. End of story.
 
Oh, the wonder of the media, pawning off a desperate/emotional story, combined with the wonder of eyewitnesses and their 15 seconds of 'fame'.

Sad that there was a crash, but to trying to add some sadistic horror story to the report is somewhat irresponsible in my view. Report on facts, not what eyewitnesses think they saw. The people who think 11.Sept was a conspiracy rely heavily on eyewitnesses who claim the aircraft looked like military aircraft. These are the same people who couldn't tell you the difference between an A320 and a B737, but you're basing your arguments on these "experts" in aircraft identification?

Point is, it must've sucked for everyone on board. We don't need people exaggerating what really happened. A plane crashed. Everyone wishes it didn't. He avoided hitting the kids on the football pitch, which is some good in the situation. End of story.

:yeahthat:
 
Always makes me wonder in these type accidents if the a/c was "turning to avoid" or just completely out of control/ stall spin/ whatever.
 
Oh, the wonder of the media, pawning off a desperate/emotional story, combined with the wonder of eyewitnesses and their 15 seconds of 'fame'.

Sad that there was a crash, but to trying to add some sadistic horror story to the report is somewhat irresponsible in my view. Report on facts, not what eyewitnesses think they saw. The people who think 11.Sept was a conspiracy rely heavily on eyewitnesses who claim the aircraft looked like military aircraft. These are the same people who couldn't tell you the difference between an A320 and a B737, but you're basing your arguments on these "experts" in aircraft identification?

Point is, it must've sucked for everyone on board. We don't need people exaggerating what really happened. A plane crashed. Everyone wishes it didn't. He avoided hitting the kids on the football pitch, which is some good in the situation. End of story.

Agreed.
 
Just as none of us know what happened lets not speculate what the witnesses did or did not see. Theres a reason the 501 series are called Slowtations.
 
Dad-of-four Jason Murrell, 39, said: “I saw it coming straight at us. I looked into the eyes of the pilot and a female passenger.
“I thought it was going to hit our house and kill us — looking up I could see the terror in the passengers’ eyes as they whizzed past.
“The plane was so close you could see the panic on their faces.
“The pilot was struggling to bank away from our house and a terrified woman was staring straight at me. I’ll never forget that sight.”

There were no females on board.

Alex.
 
Just as none of us know what happened lets not speculate what the witnesses did or did not see. Theres a reason the 501 series are called Slowtations.

Funny, I don't see anywhere anyone speculated anything, except the witness accounts. Nuthin wrong that?
 
Wow...I just though the story was sad. People died. I start my flight training on Mon...I wonder how long it'll be until I'm as jaded as some on here?
 
Wow...I just though the story was sad. People died. I start my flight training on Mon...I wonder how long it'll be until I'm as jaded as some on here?

I think you misunderstand. No one here is jaded to the loss of life in a plane crash. I'm sure a lot of the regular posters here have lost a friend or loved one in an aviation accident. When we hear of one it's tragic. The thing that we're sick of hearing though is the over sensationalized reports of these tragedies. The crash and loss of life is disturbing enough as it is without having to read the embellished tearjerker story that goes with it. Which in many cases has no factual information in it. Good luck with your training btw and fly safe!
 
I think you misunderstand. No one here is jaded to the loss of life in a plane crash. I'm sure a lot of the regular posters here have lost a friend or loved one in an aviation accident. When we hear of one it's tragic. The thing that we're sick of hearing though is the over sensationalized reports of these tragedies. The crash and loss of life is disturbing enough as it is without having to read the embellished tearjerker story that goes with it. Which in many cases has no factual information in it.
:yeahthat:
I had a friend (former instructor whom I flew with a few times during my PPL) get killed about 3-4 years ago. In the paper, some crackpot commented "at least he died doing what he loved...."

I'm sorry, but impacting the gound, burning and losing your life at the age of 24 doesn't sound like something anyone would love.

Just me.
 
I think you misunderstand. No one here is jaded to the loss of life in a plane crash. I'm sure a lot of the regular posters here have lost a friend or loved one in an aviation accident. When we hear of one it's tragic. The thing that we're sick of hearing though is the over sensationalized reports of these tragedies. The crash and loss of life is disturbing enough as it is without having to read the embellished tearjerker story that goes with it. Which in many cases has no factual information in it. Good luck with your training btw and fly safe!

I see what you mean, and apologize for my comment...I guess I just don't see all the angles yet.
 
I think you misunderstand. No one here is jaded to the loss of life in a plane crash. I'm sure a lot of the regular posters here have lost a friend or loved one in an aviation accident. When we hear of one it's tragic. The thing that we're sick of hearing though is the over sensationalized reports of these tragedies. The crash and loss of life is disturbing enough as it is without having to read the embellished tearjerker story that goes with it. Which in many cases has no factual information in it. Good luck with your training btw and fly safe!
I agree completely.

:yeahthat:
I had a friend (former instructor whom I flew with a few times during my PPL) get killed about 3-4 years ago. In the paper, some crackpot commented "at least he died doing what he loved...."

I'm sorry, but impacting the gound, burning and losing your life at the age of 24 doesn't sound like something anyone would love.

Just me.
True, but I'd rather crash and burn (only if it wasn't my fault and nothing could be done about it), than die of AIDS, some other disease, or get shot. There's some truth in "at least he died doing what he loved." Then again, at the same time, it's kinda sad that something you loved so much killed you.

In the end, I'm hoping I die in my sleep, but if I had a choice between going down trying to save a plane and dying of something equally horrible, I'd go with trying to save a plane.

I do see your point, though.
 
True, but I'd rather crash and burn (only if it wasn't my fault and nothing could be done about it), than die of AIDS, some other disease, or get shot. There's some truth in "at least he died doing what he loved." Then again, at the same time, it's kinda sad that something you loved so much killed you.

I think you are missing what Stan is saying. If you die in a plane crash you certainly aren't doing what you love. You love flying, not falling out of the sky and burning to a crisp. It's like the SCUBA diver who dies while underwater and people say they died doing what they loved. No, they liked breathing compressed air while underwater, not slowly suffocating to death.
 
Dying in an airplane is the last possible way i'd want to go. "At least he died doing what he loved". Alone, or possibly with a stranger or aquaintance, but away from family and with no warning. Doesn't sound as glamorous as some make it out to be. I can't believe i'm saying this, but if I had the choice, i'll take aids.
 
I wouldn't necessarily say I'm jaded, but I've lost a lot of friends to aviation. I guess I'm just guardedly (and sadly) 'numb' when these things pop up when I don't have a personal connection to the people involved.
 
It's sad when just about anyone dies. But I'm like Doug. If I don't know the person who died, I say how sad, but that's about it.

I don't think that's jaded, that's just accepting that death is the inevitable end for all of us and not letting the death of someone we don't know get us too worked up.
 
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