Re: Webb GI Bill Passed by Senate "Any info on how this is b
hi all, first time poster here... love reading on the site so far.
i have been doing quite a bit of research on the new g.i. bill, as i have less than 9 months left in my active duty air force career (definitely going full time guard for a bit tho to make some decent money). the latest iteration of the bill (hr 5740/s 22) is doing well, passing both houses. it WILL be vetoed by the president but, both houses have the 2/3rd's majority need to override the veto!
the benefits are as follows (and ohio will be given as an example)...
- 100% tuition paid for any public school. (ohio state max - Miami University - $23k a year paid)
- for private schools, the state max plus half the difference. (UD - cost of $27k a year - $25k a year paid)
- $1000 yearly stipend for books, fees, etc.
- E-5 dependent bah for the zip code of the school. (UD - $907 a month)
the state yearly max varies from state to state (and from about $4k to $27k). the two highest being Florida ($27k) and Ohio ($23k).
now this is a hell of a lot better than $1100 a month for attending school full time. we can actually go to school full time and not have to worry about making ends meet! to be quite honest tho, my first thought was, what about flight school? nobody had any info on it so i had to do some digging. this is what i have found so far (govtrack.us)...
hr5740 s22 section 3313 subsection (i) subsection (3), in regards to flight training,
`(A) The amount equal to the lesser of--
`(i) the established charge which similarly circumstances nonveterans enrolled in the program would be required to
pay; or
`(ii) the maximum amount that would be payable to the individual for the program of education under paragraph (1)(A)
of subsection (c), or under the provisions of paragraphs (2) through (7) of subsection (c) applicable to the
individual, for the program of education if the individual were entitled to amounts for the program of education
under subsection (c) rather than this subsection. (basically saying that they will pay up to the state maximum)
`(B) A housing stipend in an amount equal to the amount of the appropriately reduced amount of monthly stipend for housing
otherwise payable to the individual under subsection (c). (unsure of the reduced rates.)
`(C) A monthly stipend in an amount equal to the monthly equivalent of the appropriately reduced amount of the yearly
stipend for books, supplies, equipment, and other educational costs otherwise payable to the individual under
subsection (c).
still kind of unsure what all of this means but, its a hell of a lot better than the old 60% after ppl rule, and from the looks of it, it might mean 100%, up to the states maximum. that would be great for vets looking to train at atp as youd get $3k every month in addition to bah! looks like we'll have to wait and see on this one tho. also, there will most likely be stipulations as to what type of school you can go to... most likely part 141 like the current g.i. bill.
but, i encourage you to check out gibill2008.org
ok... now that i got some info out there for ya... ive kinda got to rant a little bit. (sorry)
to those that say this will hurt retention, you are absolutely right. by 16%, as john mccain quotes from a recent study. what he fails to mention is that the same study states that recruitment will go up by 16%.
to those that say this will end up costing the american people more money, you are absolutely right. but after WWII, a g.i. bill was put into place from 1946 to 1956 that was very similar to this g.i. bill. a study at the time showed that for every $1 put into the g.i. bill, the economy was boosted by $7. Additionally, a study recently conducted concluded that the increase in g.i. bill benefits will cost the american public $145 million a year... thats roughly the same cost as 36 hours in iraq. and whats $145 million compared to the $4 billion the military spends every year on recruiting? especially when you consider the g.i. bill is the military's #1 recruiting incentive!
The Webb GI Bill may entice service members to get out at 36 months but doesn't mean the Military has to let them.
yep... you have to be on active duty status for 36 months to get the benefits... if you come in active, you are doing at least four years. if you are guard/reserve, you have to be activated (read deployed) for 36 months to get the full benefits (its pro-rated depending on how many months of active duty they have).
I'm so sick of hearing the "I only joined for the college $$, I shouldn't have to deploy" crap.
seriously?? how many times have you really heard that? i don't know what your background is, therefore i will not make any assumptions, but i will say in all of my time in the air force, i've never heard anyone say that. yea, a lot of us joined for the g.i. bill, but ive never heard anyone bitch about deploying. infact, there is a waiting list for my career field to deploy from my base (luke afb), and i have known more than a few people eager to go that have been turned down. i don't know, maybe its just the people that i'm surrounded by (or maybe its the ones you are
).
I'll end it before I go on a ramapage about the sense of entitlement in America's youth (and new soldiers).
thank you for not starting that. this would have been more than just a rant...
hell of a first post huh? :-D
-kiel
" and then go back to OCS. Now with that said I have some updates from the army times. Their are a couple of different bills floating out there but the one the article in the times talked about is the Webb GI BIll which was recently passed but expected to get the veto. Basically the bill will pay the school not you all tution and fees for 4 years. During this time you will receive a $1000 stipend per year for books. Also the major difference from the old GI Bill is that when your taking the college full time you will receive E-5 BAH for the area your school is located. 
